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AmigaOS 4.0 Status Report 41

Posted by timothy from the mysterious-undead-bouncy-ball dept.
Mike Bouma writes "Core AmigaOS 4.0 developer Hans-Jörg Frieden has written a status report with regard to the current state of AmigaOS. Various advances have been made since the Developer Pre-release version of AOS4 was completed. Meanwhile AmigaWorld.net has launched a new File Depot portal dedicated to providing and hosting Amiga OS4 files and related resources. A first impressions review and some first user screenshots of the pre-release CD are also available."
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  • Re: (Score:1, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 )
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    • "So is now the time to release AmigaOS 4.0? I mean, aren't most people thinking "AmigaOS 4?" going to assume it's really old and out of date?"

      You're right. They should call it Amiga 95!!

      *boy I hope everybody's in good humor today.
    • +3 funny perhaps.. but interesting??????
      sheesh. whats up with the mods these days!

      (oh yeah mod me down too. I better put some worthwhole content here, though, with slashdots broken system for punishing the occasional bs writer what does it matter when you can comment just about anything about anything and get the karma back in the unforeseeable case that it would actually nudge away from 'excellent')

      NOW SOME REAL STUFF:

      the report has some cool(although _necessary_) stuff in it.. like udma, usb, altivec
    • So is now the time to release AmigaOS 4.0?

      If nothing else, at least your comment shows how litle information, there really is in a version number. Besides AmigaOS does have another version number system as well. IIRC 2.0 = 37 and 3.0 = 39. So what is the other version number of AmigaOS 4.0? (Until proven wrong, I would like to assume it is 42).

  • Supporting alternative platforms (Score:4, Interesting)

    by karmawarrior ( 311177 ) on Wednesday June 09, 2004 @02:55PM (#9380924) Journal
    This is great news as it looks like there's progress at last, a little too late, but it's happening, and it's providing alternatives to the current environments which compete on the basis of being "just good enough" rather than being what people actually need and want.

    Back in the late eighties and early nineties we actually had a wide range of platforms and real choices when it came to computing. The Amiga was one of those choices, and were it not for some bad business decisions in the early nineties, perhaps it would remain a mainstream, if niche, platform today.

    But it's hard for a platform to get noticed today. Just look at Linux. Despite overwhelming support from the PC establishment, it barely exists on more than 2-3% of desktops, with servers - used and operated primarily by geeks who know what they're doing - being the only area it's doing well in. The problem is that PC manufacturers are unwilling to cater for niche markets, and by doing so they're harming themselves and harming innovation. They're harming themselves by not producing something that will attract greater profit margins because it's sufficiently different from the mainstream to compete on somehting other than price, and they're harming innovation because without choices, innovation suffers. Apple has proven, by being the richest computer hardware company in the world, that you can profit in the niche. But it takes a will to get there. Why did Gateway not exploit the Amiga niche while they still had it?

    This quagmire of artists, consumers, and PC manufacturers being unable to diversify in the platforms available will not disappear by itself. Resources need to be devoted, and unless people are prepared to actually act, not just talk about it on Slashdot, nothing will ever get done. Apathy is not an option.

    You can help by getting off your rear and writing to your congressman [house.gov] or senator [senate.gov]. Tell them that a diversity of platforms is important to you. Tell them that you appreciate the work being done by the hiers to the Amiga source and the work by the GNU/Linux community to create an infrastructure that will support true choice in the computing community, but that if PC manufacturers continue to be unable to overthrow their conservatism, instead disappearing into the void that is commodity hardware, you will be forced to use less and less secure and intelligently designed alternatives. Let them know that SMP may make or break whether you can efficiently deploy OpenBSD on your workstations and servers. Explain the concerns you have about freedom, openness, and choice, and how the lack of platform choices harms all three. Let them know that this is an issue that effects YOU directly, that YOU vote, and that your vote will be influenced, indeed dependent, on their policies on platform diversity.

    You CAN make a difference. Don't treat voting as a right, treat it as a duty. Keep informed, keep your political representatives informed on how you feel. And, most importantly of all, vote.

    • What is it that you want our congressmen to do?
      Please elaborate.

    • Re:Supporting alternative platforms (Score:4, Insightful)

      by LWATCDR ( 28044 ) on Thursday June 10, 2004 @10:12AM (#9387443) Homepage Journal
      What the hell are you talking about????
      Write your senator or congressman about what?
      What OS you people choose to use?
      Free is about freedom of choice. I do not want congress telling me that I should use Linux anymore than I want them to tell me that I should use Windows! If you want to vote about this vote with your wallet!
      Buy yes I said BUY as in pay for software that runs on Linux. Buy a Mac and run OS/X or BSD. Write apps for Linux, BSD, AMIGA, Mac or for all I care the Commodore 64. But for Pete's sake keep the goverment out of it. They will only scew it up.
    • Comment removed based on user account deletion
      • If the ends of many of my postings seem similar, it is only because it is an issue I feel strongly about. Do we always want to go the "libertarian" route of not telling anyone with power what we really think for fear of offending someone, or do we want to live in a thriving democracy in which our senators and congressmen work for us, and only for us? They exist to serve us, they are paid by us, by thunder they should do our bidding.

        Another issue I feel strongly about is SMP in OpenBSD. It feels great to k

  • next review please (Score:5, Interesting)

    by spir0 ( 319821 ) on Wednesday June 09, 2004 @04:28PM (#9381873) Homepage Journal
    I must warn everybody that I'm an Amiga since 1989, so don't expect a very objective review :) I'm an Amigan and will defend my beloved System at all costs.

    can we please have a review from someone with a clue?

    what I want to know is whether this is worth making the jump to. I waited so long for my beloved amigas to make a comeback that I bought a mac. it's a big investment, but I've already made one with my laptop. Do I want to make another, or should I just wait until I can afford a G5?

    This poor excuse for a review basically just tells us that the CD works, it connects him to the net and it runs a small selection of his old apps.

    next.

    • Re:next review please (Score:3, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      I tried a mac after amiga became a walking corpse... but it was just a bit too much like amiga, but not quite right. Lots of little things, like the mac's STUPID disk handling compared to amigas, the absence of shell windows (amiga always had a decent shell, though it was a strange mixture of sh and csh), the lack of multiple screens, the mac's ONE DAMN BUTTON, and NO MAGICMENU. But the mac had a very similar GUI otherwise, very similar system folder structure, very similar sound and graphics capabilities.
      • sorry, I should have clarified. by mac, I meant OSX. Anything prior to OSX isn't even worth joking about.

        one button is not an issue (mine has 5 + scroll wheel and works great), and you can pick and choose from shells.

        but I'm not sure if anyone has written a version of magicmenu... context menus work if you have more than a one button mouse, but no transparency.. yet...

        • Re:next review please (Score:2, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward
          Context menus are evil, at least as implemented today. MagicMenu just gave you ALL your menus off the right click, ghosting out irrelevant entries for context - this meant that you could _learn_ the positions of menu items, they didn't jump about, and you could do _everything_ without having to wander up to the top of the screen like normal amiga menus or mac menus. I fear the only way I'm going to get decent behaviour is to implement a new menu mode for Qt/KDE that emulates MagicMenu. Also, the amiga had

  • Why? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by HRbnjR ( 12398 )
    What I don't understand is... why bother?

    I can certainly appreciate those people who like their Amiga... but why not take the Linux kernel with all it's hardware support, and a GLib/GTK base (perhaps without X [FB based]), and just write an Amiga Workbench (desktop environment, ala Gnome) clone??? (maybe even leverage parts of Gnome like XFT/Pango/Panel/Plugins)

    What do you gain over commodity X86 or PPC by creating custom hardware, and by coding a whole new kernel, tcpip stack, etc? The advantage of fre

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by account_deleted ( 4530225 )
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    • The advantage of free software is that you don't have to do it all yourself from scratch

      Okay, true ... but despite the fact that they are coding a new kernel from scratch, you won't have to worry about existing code that could be buggy.

      but why not take the Linux kernel with all it's hardware support

      It doesn't support everything HRbnjR, I had a USB ADSL modem that didn't work under Linux (they call these "WinModems"), and coding the kernel level drivers for some of the Amiga hardware (which doesn't e
      • Very possible, via a graphics library that doesn't reqire X (e.g. SVGALib, etc) and then just code in a way to emulate the X server (just the parts needed for compatibility with X-based programs), and voila, you've got WM (window manager) without X!

        Searching the web, I came across a WM that mimicks the Amiga Workbench UI nicely, it requires X. It's called AmiWM [lysator.liu.se], and you should see some of the screenshots on the site, looks almost exactly like the Workbench UI, with, possibly, a few differences on the out

  • Why bother... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by samdu ( 114873 ) <samdu@NOSPAM.ronintech.com> on Wednesday June 09, 2004 @08:58PM (#9383534) Homepage

    There is an Operating System out there that has tremendous hardware support, regular updates, runs on commodity hardware and has widespread support from users and third party software developers. So, I ask, why bother with Linux?


    Every time there's a story about Amiga on Slashdot, at least 10% of the posts use the exact same arguments listed above to ask the exact same question about the Amiga. The better question would be why bother posting such an inane question about something in which you obviously have no interest?!?!?


    But, so that perhaps, in the future, we can avoid all of the "Why bother?" spam, I'll answer it:


    CHOICE!


    Listen, I love Linux. I love the concept behind the Open Source movement and I love the OS itself most of the time. But I'm a geek. I can dig around in the internals of the system and make it do what I want it to do (again, most of the time). MOST people don't want to have to do that. And until Linux becomes something that the geeks see as a toy, there is a signficant portion of the population that will not use it. Most people want a machine that boots quickly into an operating system that they don't have to muck about in to get it to do what they want it to do. Is it SO hard to imagine that the Amiga might fill a niche that Linux doesn't and may not ever?


    So, those folks should use Windows... NO THEY SHOULDN'T. If they want to, fine, but why limit their choice because you don't think there NEEDS to be any more choice than Windows/Mac/Linux?


    I grew up first on the Commodore 64 then moved to an Amiga 500, then to an Amiga 4000. When the 4000 died, I was heartbroken, but have managed to soldier on with a couple of home built x86 machines and Windows and Linux. Linux will stay on my server. Probably always, unless something better comes along. I'll probably always have a Windows desktop or laptop of some kind. I want a Mac - either G5 or iBook, haven't decided. AND I want an AmigaOne. In the end, I'll probably end up using the Mac and the Amiga more often than either other machine in a user to computer, face to monitor sort of way. Linux will continue to do what it does best, keep running my server and not crash. Windows will be reserved for games, the Mac will be my music and art (read: Photoshop) machine, and the Amiga will end up being the machine I use for everyday computing and having fun while doing it.


    So, to all the insensitive, short-sighted clods out there that keep posing this question, I say to you shut your pie hole, there are many more people out there that would say the same thing about Linux. It's all about the choice, baby. And more choice is good for you - and Linux - whether you realize it or not.


    PS - And, no, a Gnome/KDE desktop that looks and/or feels like AmigaOS, is not the same thing as AmigaOS anymore than a Windows XP theme that looks like Gnome/KDE is the same as running Linux.

  • Really, what is the point of this 'AmigaOS'?

    Most of what made the original Amiga's ( and Atari ST's ) special was the hardware..

    Now you can exceed those features with commodity hardware.. which makes this 'just another OS'.

    Sure, its one more choice, but a choice with no real point that i can see..

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