World's First Large-Scale Ogg Theora Stream 137
Ur@eus writes "The GNOME European Users and Developers conference is currently underway in Kristansand, Norway. The whole conference is available live online as an Ogg Theora stream (the videos of the talks are also archived). This is very exciting as it is a proof of concept that it is possible to do high quality streaming using a fully free format today. The stream is done using the Fluendo streaming server software which will be released under the GPL in a few months. You find information on how to view the streams at the GUADEC streaming website."
Huh? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Huh? (Score:1)
Re:Apparently so... (Score:2, Funny)
Obviously the technology is flawed, I suggest we go back to clay tablets to facilitate the empowerment of the inept.
Re:Huh? (Score:5, Insightful)
Hopefully radio stations and Public Radio shows will adopt Ogg. At the moment, most if not all use Real *shudder*.
Re:Huh? (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't get me wrong, i support ogg because it's 'free as in awesome', and i hate realplayer because it's 'annoying as in YAPI' (yet another plug in) but i think another format is just going to confuse new users.
What's more, joe user isn't truly going to embrace something like ogg until bob porn producer does.
Re:Huh? (Score:3, Insightful)
We could soon see Ogg being installed (as both a directshow filter and in RealPlayer itself) on a large amount of computers. I also know that most games now use ogg for sound effects, but I'm not so sure if they install it as a directshow filter (this allows other apps to use it). If they do, then we may already have 25% of the home computer market using ogg.
BTW: this method of stealth installation is going to be how OS software takes h
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
Ultimately, the consumers don't matter as much as the content providers - they're the ones that have to be persuaded. As the whole point of Ogg Theora is that it does not require the streamer to pay up as you do with MPEG/Windows Media/Real/etc, there's an incentive for the content providers to
Try helping people instead of justifying rejection (Score:3, Insightful)
The same could be said of when RealVideo was new or when MP3 began. Novelty is no reason to reject something but being proprietary is. Conversely, as you indicated, being free is a great reason to support this work. My experience is that if you're willing to spend a few seconds explaining the problem with proprietar
Re:Huh? (Score:1)
but i think another format is just going to confuse new users.
Well... since winamp [winamp.com] (which most people in windows use) supports ogg built in.... where's the confusion?Re:Huh? (Score:2)
What's your point? If you go up to the majority of people and say "there's this DVD, with AC3 audio" they'd also say "WTF".
You are mixing apples and rocks (shaped like oranges)... The public at large are completely ignorant of technical knowledge, and quite frankly, it doesn't matter one damn bit. The public at large are not
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
They did the same thing to me back in '93 when I said I wanted to check my email before i went to the bars with them. I also got the same responce when they learned i spent around $400 for a multimedia ad-on kit from creative labs back in '94 for a computer that already cost me close to $2000 in the first place.
Maybe you just need to mention it too them and then it will catch on?
theora is video, vorbis streams are old news (Score:2)
public radio should go with ogg vorbis or (at least) mp3. they were given some sort of sweet deal which got them to use real (instead of MS).
Re:Huh? (Score:1)
I don't understand how radio stations will adopt it. Bandwidth and License prices (for music) are amazing, they either setup their own subscription system or use http://www.contentcommunity.org from Real Networks RadioPass...
How will they manage to secure the stream?
Re:Huh? (Score:1)
Everyone? I don't know about it.
Re:Huh? (Score:5, Funny)
That thousands of people saying "Ogg Theora" all at once sounds like a cat the size of Montana hacking up a hairball.
See that headline? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
So who proved that streaming software is only successful if PriceTag > 0.000.
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
Or at least that is how I interpreted it.
I'm willing to help test this (Score:4, Funny)
Re:I'm willing to help test this (Score:5, Funny)
The usual would be three options, pick two. But since this is the internet, you'll probably have to settle for just one of the three... Sorry.
Re:I'm willing to help test this (Score:3, Funny)
Well I suppose I could fire up a stream of Tiny Toon Adventures. `
Re:I'm willing to help test this (Score:2)
Are you kidding? Babs had like a butt-high skirt!
LCA2003 pioneered this for audio... (Score:2)
However, if you like nice feminine Indian voices, you can thrill to the sound of [planetmirror.com] ubergeekette Suparna Bhattacharya [planetmirror.com] (picture [linux.org.au]) talking about DProbes.
It's all right... (Score:2)
High Quality Streaming (Score:2, Funny)
Re:High Quality Streaming (Score:3, Funny)
That's only funny in stories about Real Pl ...BUFFERING...
Real Problems (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re:Real Problems (Score:1)
Re:Real Problems (Score:1)
Re:Real Problems (Score:5, Informative)
People get their terms a bit mixed up (Score:3, Interesting)
Open source just means the source is available for public consumption, but these days it also implies under some kind of license such as GPL or BSD that would permit modification and redistribution. There are apps with source that aren't like that. Some compilers, for exmaple, include the source to all libraries, but don't permit you to redistribute that sourc
Re:People get their terms a bit mixed up (Score:2)
Open Source is what complies with the Open Source Definition, as written by those who came with with the term in the first place. So just because you can get at the source doesn't make it Open Source.
Re:Real Problems (Score:1)
On "Mecca" of Multimedia, only non problematic application with all my browsers is Realone for OSX.
Real is years ahead of Apple and Microsoft if we speak about streaming. Lets say, QT automatically selects which stream is good for you based on YOUR preferences and it locks on that rate. While, lets say you have Realone for any OS, if you lag, it drops back to unimaginable low speeds (56k, on T1!) and contin
Re:Real Problems (Score:2)
Ogg wi
bork (Score:2, Insightful)
Nope, sorry. Just because something is done with an open source whatever, does not automatically make the event exciting, significant, groundbreaking, or anything else out of the ordinary.
Re:bork (Score:2, Informative)
Re:bork (Score:2, Funny)
Define Large-scale (Score:2, Interesting)
username and password (Score:3, Funny)
http://stream1.hia.no/ogg/dump/room1/ogg-theora
It proves the high fidelity that ogg has to offer
Good! My representative couldn't make it there (Score:5, Interesting)
Unfortunately, the guy who was closest to getting there was stuck at his office, in spite of Kristiansand being his hometown.
That's too bad, but now I can actually try to have them look at the stream instead, and even failing that, there's the archive.
Anticlimax (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Torrent Streaming (Score:2)
Re:Anticlimax (Score:3, Insightful)
If you are using a
Nothing can survive having more users than bandwidth.
My question (Score:1)
Where are the port 80 mirrors?!
How to play Theora in Windows RealPlayer (Score:4, Informative)
http://stream1.hia.no/instructions/theoraandrea
Here is the best link to the free RealPlayer for Windows:
http://www.real.com/freeplayer/?rppr=hc
Mod up (Score:2)
Re:How to play Theora in Windows RealPlayer (Score:1)
Instead I am directed to try Real Player, who wants to know everything about me and tries to stuff their "upgraded" version on my throat. What a bummer
That's it. At least I got to vie
Excellent (Score:5, Funny)
All three people who have software to decode this format and 10 megabit connections are very excited!
Re:Excellent (Score:2)
File not founded.
Server timeout.
Pre-buffering.
Some may say that this due to a Slashdotting but, the streams are supposedly mirrored on Icecast (File not found.) which should definitely be able to handle a Slashdotting.
Sadly, I think that they have proven that their concept is still just that. A working prototype that scales to levels needed for the internet has yet to be realized.
Re:Excellent (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Excellent (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Excellent (Score:2)
Re:Excellent (Score:2, Insightful)
In other words: the streaming servers are probably switched off. Try again tomorrow morning (Norwegian time).
I've watched some of the live streams yesterday and today, and overall it was quite impressive (the only comparison I have are realplayer streams of recorded TV newscasts at roughly the same bitrate, which always freeze to refill the buf
doesn't helix do the same? (Score:1)
Complete CCTV [completecctv.com]
Re:doesn't helix do the same? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:doesn't helix do the same? (Score:1)
From the Helix Website:
The Helix Player is the Helix Community's open source media player for consumers. It is being developed to have a rich and usable graphical interface and support a variety of open media formats like Ogg Vorbis, Theora etc.
Features
* Gtk+/Gnome interface
* Accelerated Video and FullScreen Playback
* Support for free and open mediatypes - Ogg Vorbis/Theora, H261
* Mozilla browser plug-in
* RTSP streaming
* Elegant UI
* Ins
Re:doesn't helix do the same? (Score:1)
Re:doesn't helix do the same? (Score:1)
The city name is... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:The city name is... (Score:2)
Re:The city name is... (Score:3, Informative)
But I believe in the tricky song
It is spelled Christiansands
At least the title is.
Re:The city name is... (Score:2)
Re:The city name is... (Score:2)
Re:The city name is... (Score:2)
Christiansted? (Score:2)
Kristiansand, not Kristansand. Never heard the Tricky song?
I met a Christian in Kristiansand
I always thought it was Christiansted [wunderground.com], part of St. Croix in the US Virgin Islands [virginisles.com]. Tricky refers to "German Jamaicans" in another song [alwaysontherun.net], so I thought this lyric was referring to somewhere Caribbean.
But the name of the song is Christiansands, its lyrics [alwaysontherun.net] say that also... So it must mean somewhere else.
Re:Bittorrent needed (Score:1)
Re:Bittorrent needed (Score:2)
Have you read the early emails of Linus's? The first Linuxes often didn't boot, and when they did, they didn't do much.
Fluendo (Score:1)
And, please take a *real* look at Linux 0.01. It was... apparently not even as far as Fluendo is. Apparently, because I cannot check Fluendo out.
Oh, and my motto when a company promises something? "I believe it when I see it".
They deserve a lot of credit. (Score:1)
Ogg Vorbis, for example, works very well, and its APIs are easy to use. I don't know very much about Theora, but, if the same people are behind it, it's probably pretty good.
Another proof of concept: Ogg support in OpenAL + big-name game developers using it for cross-platform sound. This is really neat stuff.
The problem with Ogg... (Score:1, Interesting)
Wikipedia! (Score:3, Interesting)
Now to find video illustrations for the articles on the sixty-nine [wikipedia.org] and the reverse cowgirl [wikipedia.org]...
--grendel drago
I wrote that discussion paper... (Score:4, Interesting)
Quite frankly, however, nobody has actually sought to place video on the Wikipedia yet. I hope it will happen soon, but right now there's been a fair bit of talk but no action from any contributors.
As to your suggested topics, see the last section on legalities [wikipedia.org]in the discussion paper. There's a whole pile of extra paperwork you need to keep track of to legally post videos of the kind you wish to post...
Windows users: try VideoLAN (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Windows users: try VideoLAN (Score:1)
These people are not idiots. They just are not into perpetuating outdated stereotypes, as some people are.
Re:Windows users: try VideoLAN (Score:2, Informative)
Unfortunately time was limited and we cannot test every player when we're getting ready for our first public test. I'm sure that after this conference we can work together with the VLC people to make the
Playing Theora files in windows (Score:3, Informative)
I can get the theora files to play under the latest version of VideoLAN client [videolan.org].
There are instructions [stream1.hia.no] for setting up Real Player to view Theora files. Although some people are saying that the latest version of Real Player is not so bad I still don't want to install it. I must have a grudge :-) and Real Alternative using Media Player Classic (MPC) works fine.
Is there anyway to get Theora files to play with MPC? I thought that if I installed the Directshow Filters [illiminable.com] it may work but no such luck. This would be really handy because I use MPC for just about everything else.
Re:Playing Theora files in windows (Score:1)
i.e. Playback of RealMedia in the Windows media player of your choice. You can even transcode RM files with it.
There is of course a catch, the DShow Filter does not come with the Real codecs. You can get the codecs by installing RealPlayer (you don't have to use it) or by getting the codecs installed by other means. As I mentioned in that post though, the install
A Stable Theora (Score:2)
Re:A Stable Theora (Score:2)
The implementation is alpha, but the specification is freezed with the current alpha3 release. Every file you encode today should work with the future stable implementation. (Says www.theora.org)
Slap on the face (Score:1)
....on windows play it with realplayer..
MediaPlayerClassic and winamp support PLEASE!!!
I'll be interested when... (Score:1)
Its a pity that Windows Media Player doesn't have a plugin architecture that lets people create their own input plugins.
Re:I'll be interested when... (Score:2)
Re:I'll be interested when... (Score:1)
Is it scalable? (Score:1)
Real does it for years, MS Media (which I don't use) does it in Version 9...
Telling how real does it perfectly, I am radiopass member and listen to radios 24/7 here, sometimes it even drops to 11.2 kbps but goes back to 64 or 96.
If it can't be done, we have a problem with ogg streaming.
Media from GUADEC (Score:1)
Media files from GUADEC is going to be publiched on the web. It wil take a while.. The films are on DV..
For the time beeing, the only thing thats out, is the audio from Dr Edgar Villanueva Nuñez.
link: http://osys.grm.hia.no/bttrack/
--
Michael E. Menk
GUADEC-2004 film team.
Re:Media from GUADEC Sorry, wrong link.. (Score:1)