Sun Adds Java and N1 to No Cost List 40
An anonymous reader writes "Sun announced today that they would be making a number of tools available at no cost for both development and deployment in addition to reaffirming their commitment to open source the software. This is to include the Java Enterprise Syste, Sun N1 Management software, and Sun developer tools. From the announcement: "With this announcement, Sun is creating the no cost and open alternative
to the Windows environment. The Solaris Enterprise System has all of the
benefits of an integrated offering while still enabling customers the
flexibility to address their requirements by deploying the specific components
they need into alternative operating systems."
Re:oh noes (Score:5, Interesting)
I guess that's true...ish.
It's true in the same way that Oranges > Apples.
If C# still exists 10 years from now, is more opened, has better cross-platform capabilities, and has become as pervasive as Java and javascript, then we can talk. Until then, adieu.
Re:oh noes (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:oh noes (Score:1)
-> better implementations
-> more libraries
But
-> evolution slow as molasses
Re:oh noes (Score:2)
C# will exist 10 years from now. Don't delude yourself into thinking that MS will tank within a decade.
Sun Microsystems owns Java, don't trick yourself into thinking that its an open standard just because it's distributed with source.
Why the hell does javascript enter into this conversation?
If you're concerned with the
Re:oh noes (Score:2, Insightful)
I think what he was talking about is whether MS will actively support and develop C# in 10 years. Look what happened to VB, they abandoned it to move on to the next big thing (VB.Net is not the same language as VB and it certainly isn't compatible). What's to say they won't abandon C# so they can sell the next big thing to their customers by forcing them to upgrade due to lack of support for the older te
Re:oh noes (Score:2)
C# is actually fairly good.
Re:oh noes (Score:3, Insightful)
Which of course is rubbish. Open sourced Java programs can be redistributed and modified, just like any open source program; they require a JVM, but then again, any program needs a processor, and besides there are open source JVMs.
Re:oh noes (Score:2)
As for cross platform. If your goal is to serve content to a wide audience, and the future JVM is not backward compatible, then you would have to upgrade in order to meet your whole audience, or force them to run more than 1 JVM. Gosh, I seem to remember this happening before.
At my old company, we ran a piece of software that required the MS VM. It was incompatible with the Sun JVM. I wrote a product that required the Su
Re:oh noes (Score:2)
FSF is free to have whatever stance they want, and so am I. While I often agree with them, I must disagree on this point.
A bit like how C pro
Re:oh noes (Score:2)
You're playing both sides of the issue to be right. It is sort of the same, but, eh, not really. Apparently your old company fell for MS's scam.
Actually, it was PragmaSystems that did, I called their staff several times to ask when they would have a migration strategy, but it caused enough of a headache for me.
Unfortunately, I find myself incapable of comprehending what you wrote, and am therefore
Re:oh noes (Score:2)
No. Microsoft has tried to lock people into Windows so many times (of which you gave a good example yourself) that I would be extremely suspicious of any claims of cross-platform compatibility from them.
Re:oh noes (Score:2)
They can't do the wrong thing if there is no right thing for them to do. Think of it game-theoretically, in terms of Nash equilibria.
THE MS IS EVIL PROBLEM
We assume that Microsoft only does the wrong thing when there is a benefit to doing so of, eh, +10.
We assume that being well thought of, however, for some reason, is a good thing... Eh, also +10.
The converse in either ca
Re:oh noes (Score:2)
Thanks for making it personal.
I'll avoid the obvious digs on you.
Re:oh noes (Score:2)
I like codebehind. I don't claim to be a crack web developer.
I actually know a good bit about java
I'm not a refugee from ASP or PHP. I developed mostly unix platform software, including some radar and such, until my company decided to go web shop. Not wanting to be stuck for the rest of my life as some web developer, I bailed and returned to grad school to get a PhD.
Now, all of that aside, I'd rather never identify myself as a "Java" developer, or a "C++" developer, b
Re:oh noes (Score:2)
If I'm writing an application that lists x items from a data structure, then I'm putting that into the page through codebehind. I'll also stick my buttons onto the page and whatnot. I feel that codebehind is superior for this, over mixtures of JSP and servlets.
Get it?
I actually understand how to construct an app fairly well.
As far as libraries of well known primitives. If you had read my post, you'd realize that I was saying that the difference is negligible after working for a few weeks
Re:oh noes (Score:3, Funny)
AC here, ever-ready to add my invaluable insights:
C++ and C#, are mere language specifications. Java is a 'platform', and we are all free to leap from that platform at any time we chose. Personally, I'm planning to Hibernate until Spring, when the male of the species Struts its stuff on said platform. I may even stuff some Enterprise Beans in my trunks, but lets keep that on the QT, OK ?
I hope this clears things up
Better links (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/what_you_get.
http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2005-11/sun
The JavaPosse podcast.... (Score:5, Informative)
I highly recommend the JavaPosse [javaposse.com] podcasts; it's a great way to keep up with the latest developments in Java. Haha, get it, developments! Anyhow. They do a nice job of tracking things that most Java developers may not be using but will be someday - i.e., the recent discussions of the Mustang Hotspot speed improvements and such.
Disclaimer: They just interviewed me about PMD [sf.net] and my book PMD Applied [pmdapplied.com]. But still!
Re:The JavaPosse podcast.... (Score:1)
Hey Editor... (Score:2)
I hope you don't code in Lisp.
so.... (Score:3, Insightful)
Free as in beer, or free as in "not being a goddamn pain in the ass"?
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What does this mean... (Score:2)
Re:What does this mean... (Score:1)
On a side note, the only job I did have to use
Re:What does this mean... (Score:5, Insightful)
Also, poor business model != poor choice of language. There are plenty of viable Java development shops. Language is just a tool to get the job done, and your favorite language may not always be the best choice for what you want to do. For some things, LISP is a great language, but I wouldn't want to write a VoIP softphone in it.
Back on topic though, as a developer, I always love free development tools, but in this case, as a shareholder, I'm not quite sure how they're going to make money on this. Good will can be hard to deposit in your bank account. At least they have 8-core processors and Opteron servers to (hopefully) turn a profit.
Free! Java Studio ($1,895 value)! (Score:4, Informative)
Sun has got to get better names for things.. Its still so damm confusing. (java studio creator/java studio enterprise/ sunstudio). As a result I can't tell what the press release is giving away...
http://developers.sun.com/prodtech/devtools/free/ [sun.com]
Is this what there talking about? I've been playing around with java studio creator, its really really nice actually. Of course I use php not jsp/servlets, but its defenetly making me think about switching.
Re:Free! Java Studio ($1,895 value)! (Score:2)
Java (Solaris) Enterprise System, some sort of server stuff I have no idea about
Sun studio, C/C++/Fortan IDE and compilers.
Bwah, can't figure out where I found it earlier, something like (might be the otehr way round):
Java Studio Creator, JAVA IDE
Java Studio Enterprise, JSP
Crap, this wasn't useful at all =P, anyway, together they all cover c/c++/fotran (with compilers), java and web development.
No Cost? (Score:2)
Free yes, but open source... (Score:2)