Programming As Art — 13 Amazing Code Demos

cranberryzero writes "The demo scene has been around for twenty years now, and it has grown by leaps and bounds. From the early days of programmers pushing the limits of Ataris and Amigas to modern landscapes with full lighting, mapping, and motion capture, demo groups have done it all and done it under 100k. To celebrate this art form, I heart Chaos takes a look at thirteen of the best demo programs on the web. Flash video links are included, but it's more fun to download them and give your processor something fun to chew on."

Second reality

[ccguy]

I think any serious demo list needs to include Second Reality.

While obviously there are more impressive demos from a graphics point of view (since SR is 15 years old), I'm still to see one with a better soundtrack and a better integration of video and audio.

Skaven's music is still one of my favourites - I wish it was properly resampled, as obviously S3M and MOD are a bit outdated :-)

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[museumpeace]

/.ed already!

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[s4m7]

/.ed already!

Maybe their webserver was an Amiga with a hand-optimized assembly webserver - ART!

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[mabhatter654]

each 100k file expands to stress the full bandwidth of the TCP stack and internet pipes on each download... it's a feature!

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[terrahertz]

I had to grimace when I didn't see Second Reality as well...but then I noticed the writer qualified the collection with "of the last few years."

I've always been partial to Purple Motion, some of the two-channel modules he did as an exercise really withstand the test of time, despite the self-imposed technical limitations. All the FC music was exceptionally high quality overall though, IMO.

I don't know what "resampling" or changing formats would do for the old module music, as you can't increase audio quali

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[Entropius]

My issue with S3M is that it doesn't support new-note-actions like IT does, meaning you have to use a ridiculous amount of channels to make things sound smooth.

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[KillerBob]

I've always been partial to Purple Motion, some of the two-channel modules he did as an exercise really withstand the test of time, despite the self-imposed technical limitations. All the FC music was exceptionally high quality overall though, IMO.

I agree... and you're doing Skaven a disservice by not including his name when you mention Second Reality. :) Don't forget that he did half of it, too.... That said, I have the PM part of it on my portable MP3 player, and not Skaven's part. :P I am not an atomic p

Purple Motion

[Plumber, Programmer,]

Actually, you can get a CD version of some of Purple Motion's work. He's got an album out called the "Purple Motion Music Disk." I have it and I like it. http://www.purplemotion.net/ [purplemotion.net]

Long time...

[ccguy]

I obviously can't mod you up since I posted, but this post of yours made my day.

Long time since I whipped my credit card to buy CDs (I got the bundle with Skaven's) :-) A bit expensive but since I've been saving lately thanks to RIAA (well, their branch here, SGAE) I'll be ok...

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[peipas]

The most amazing demo I've ever seen is Animate! [mire.iki.fi] , a 4k demo from 1995. Wow.

For sure

[Sycraft-fu]

Way too many demos were of the variety of simply being a slide show of effects. They'd do one thing (and often tell you what that was) then go on to the next thing. There'd be a soundtrack playing but it was just background noise. 2nd reality was the first one I ever saw that was a real good integration of everything, where it was just an overall cool show. The technical merits of the effects were secondary to the fact that it was just damn cool to watch.

Along those lines today, one of the best I think is "

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[Nazlfrag]

Along those lines, I thought State of the Art [wikipedia.org] was the best Amiga demo I'd come across, while lacking in code sophistication it was an amazing visual and audio experience.

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[RobFlynn]

That was definitely a good one. Your post recalled that memory, so now I'm sitting here watching it.

Re:Second reality

[poot_rootbeer]

Second Reality is considered by many to be the Ur-Demo, and I'm not entirely sure why; it's not a revolutionary milestone in the evolution of demomaking, merely a refinement of a lot of effects and design choices which had existed previously (notably in Future Crew's own "Panic" demo, released a couple months earlier).

No less interesting than the original demo is the Commodore 64 port of it released in 1998, by Smash Designs and The Obsessed Maniacs. The same effects running on hardware 10 years older (and with far less power), and yet the graphics and sound are only marginally degraded from what was possible on a 486/VGA/SB PC. There's a vidcap of most of it on YouTube here [youtube.com].

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[dkf]

Second Reality is considered by many to be the Ur-Demo, and I'm not entirely sure why; it's not a revolutionary milestone in the evolution of demomaking, merely a refinement of a lot of effects and design choices which had existed previously (notably in Future Crew's own "Panic" demo, released a couple months earlier).

It's not that the demo is the most technically advanced, it's that it is a perfect combination of all the bits and pieces (especially the synching of the sound track). Demos are a form of art, and can be stupendous even if they're not at the very cutting edge; after all, there's lots of paintings out there that aren't cutting edge either, and yet they still pack a shitload of power.

Jaw dropped - please help pick it up

[master_p]

This demo can be used as a reminder of how underused hardware is, and how programming languages, while allow us to do more in less time, also prohibit us from exploiting the current hardware.

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[AmiMoJo]

I agree totally with the parent - Second Reality is not what demos are about, in fact arguably most PC demos are not really true to the scene at all.

Demos on the Amiga, C64 and Atari ST were the pinnacle of the demo scene. The hardware was complex but fixed, and could be made to do things people thought were literally impossible. Music had to use just four 8 bit channels on the Amiga, and on the C64 you had to program the SID directly. No easy chunky pixel modes, massive memory bandwidth, high speed CPUs or

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[kisrael]

While obviously there are more impressive demos from a graphics point of view (since SR is 15 years old), I'm still to see one with a better soundtrack and a better integration of video and audio.

I have... Panic, from the year before. Much more cohesive, much less of a mishmash than SR's "hey now look at this! now look at this! now look at this!"

Unfortunately, Panic doesn't seem to get a fraction of the love SR gets... I'm still a while away from setting up Dosbox or whatever (not sure if it would even work

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[Novus]

I'm still a while away from setting up Dosbox or whatever (not sure if it would even work) but would love to see it on Youtube.

Trying it out on DOSBox 0.72, it seems the VGA emulation doesn't handle some of the creative hacking in the sine-scroller near the beginning, and the colour plasma later on; this results in a corrupt display throughout these effects. Otherwise, Panic seems to work fine.

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[mxs]

Skaven is great indeed, though if you are referring to the Second Reality soundtrack, that is actually available in a properly mastered version (on Purple Motion's CD Musicdisk).

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[Jesus_666]

Okay, can anyone tell me whether Farbrausch's .theprodukkt (the demo that effectively started the 64k thing) and kewlers & mfx's 1995 are in there? 1995 might not be the most impressive demo ever, but it certainly is one of the most enjoyable ones in my opinion. Little Bitchard at his best.

I can't tell because the server and the Coralized version have melted. In fact, trying to access the server directly leads to a generic failure message from Godaddy.

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[Trogre]

Absolutely. I even bought the Mind Candy DVD so I could watch it without maintaining my 486 (and act 3 would crash on my system anyway if run from the start). Interesting you mention integration of video and audio - which is fantastic in SR for the first "act", but then they go and ruin it by throwing in a still image of some orange troll with knuckledusters just as the music reaches a crescendo. Totally ruins it for me.

Second Reality Spoofs/Parodies

[antdude]

Here is one in real life [p1atin.de] (Real Reality). Even its soundtracks are kind of cool (wished they were higher quality).

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[XO]

Agreed with this. Anyone know how to get Second Reality to run on a modern comp/OS ?

Other demoscene links

[Ed Pegg]

More really good demoes are compiled at my maa.org article, 64K or less. http://www.maa.org/editorial/mathgames/mathgames_08_16_04.html [maa.org] The main demoscene sites are better though: http://www.scene.org/ [scene.org] and http://www.pouet.net/ [pouet.net] . One of my own recent favorites is a 4K demo, synchroplastikum http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=20967 [pouet.net]

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[Ed Pegg]

The original site for the article seems to be slashdotted... but it pretty closely followed the Top Ten list at pouet.net. I'vel already forgotten which "unpopular" demos he included. My own article, mentioned above, is a better list of good demos, in my own humble opinion.

Trojan in synchroplastikum

[Maddog Batty]

AVG throws a wobbly on synchroplastikum stating that there is a Trojan in it.

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[Goaway]

Tell you what, you manage to find a modern trojan that fits in 4k, and I'll be impressed.

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[Ed Pegg]

There are a few hundred comments at Pouet about synchroplastikum, with several analyzing this very issue. Also, Calodox is an extremely respected programmer. He probably uses some extreme programming tricks to get this particular incredible demo to work, which AVG is good to be suspicious of.

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[Knos]

We have mentionned this to grisoft a couple of times.

If you actually check what AVG is complaining about, (and I must say they don't make it easy for the novice to know about that) you will see it is complaining that the executable has been compressed. ("packed")

It's *not* actually detecting a trojan, just being overly suspicious.

Try it out, pack one of your trusted executables with a packer such as kkapture, (http://www.farbrausch.de/~fg/kkapture/) the best generic packer the demoscene has to offer.

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[Knos]

I didn't mean kkapture, but kkrunchy... Damn farbrausch naming schemes ;)

http://www.farbrausch.de/~fg/kkrunchy/ [farbrausch.de]

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[CastrTroy]

Maybe the logic goes that if it's an executable, and only 4K, it must be a trojan. No actual program is that small anymore.

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[Guysmiley777]

First one I downloaded (MojoDreams) got flagged as having a trojan. Nice site.

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[Ed Pegg]

Running a .com file (Compiled Executable) from an untrusted source is always a bad idea. Many of the programs at Pouet.net and Scene.org will cause antivirus programs to flag. Although it's beyond my skills, the .com file can be run through a decompiler.

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[Knos]

Certainly not. You're not going to run the .com against a decompiler, because the .com isn't even the real program!

The .com is just a header, plain .exe executable stitched to it as a "CAB" file. After uncompression, the real .exe is then run by the header code.

As for being trustful or not, I for one trust these executables a great deal more than the stuff you download on large "commodity software" download sites.

The demoscene crowd is very picky and a virus would not stay very long without being noticed.

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[jez9999]

I tried that but it *still* crashed when I tried to run it. Meh. Is that the skillz?

256byte demos

[suso]

This demo site [256b.com] is cool. Talk about optimization, these programmers put modern programmers to shame.

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[Anonymous Coward]

most of my memory leaks are several orders of magnitude larger than these entire demos, and they do far more than memory leaks have ever done for me!

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[orasio]

most of my memory leaks are several orders of magnitude larger than these entire demos, and they do far more than memory leaks have ever done for me!

My own memory leaks have kept me employed in the past. Much more than demos have ever done for me. (but Second Reality rulz!)

Re:256byte demos

[pclminion]

If you consider optimizing the crap out of something which is ultimately pointless, to be somehow comparable to what real programmers do, I suppose.

I used to write these things back when all I wrote in was assembly language. It's cool, it's fun, it's a puzzle and a challenge. Comparing it to "modern programmers" though is sort of like comparing a Sudoku expert to a professional in applied mathematics. The Sudoku expert will probably outclass the generalist at Sudoku but I wouldn't describe it as putting the mathematician to shame, nor would I trust the Sudoku expert to work out some difficult integrals for me.

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[tlhIngan]

If you consider optimizing the crap out of something which is ultimately pointless, to be somehow comparable to what real programmers do, I suppose.

I used to write these things back when all I wrote in was assembly language. It's cool, it's fun, it's a puzzle and a challenge. Comparing it to "modern programmers" though is sort of like comparing a Sudoku expert to a professional in applied mathematics. The Sudoku expert will probably outclass the generalist at Sudoku but I wouldn't describe it as putting the

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[CastrTroy]

The source code probably never existed. A lot of this stuff was probably done in assembly. I guess the original assembly code would have some comments, but actually understanding it would still probably be extremely difficult. And even if you did, a lot of it wouldn't be applicable to programming in anything other than assembly.

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[spectecjr]

Alas, I came across the yearning to re-watch some of these demos lately. They're nice, but then you realize nowadays, when one could benefit from learning all these tips and tricks for optimization, the source code's lost to the ether forever.

Not always lost forever... SAM Coupe demo source [earthlink.net]

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[KillerBob]

Optimizing like that isn't all that comparable, no. But it's a really great way to learn how to code stuff that's still zippy even on derelict hardware. In a world where operating systems like Vista are becoming norm, I'd think that kind of skill is one people should be learning, no?

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[XO]

Since a lot of programming tasks these days are done in interpreted scripting languages, like PHP, and my current projects are all in UnrealScript, being able to optimize things properly within those languages can be quite effective.

I'm so goddamn frustrated with Unreal Tournament 3, I'm about to damn near chuck the entire game code, and start from scratch just to build my mod. It's so needlessly complex, I'm surprised it runs on -any- hardware.

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[192939495969798999]

This is a great example with sudoku expert vs. math expert -- my dad is a retired math professor, and (along with many others) he figured out how to solve any generic sudoku with some kinda algorithm/formula. Sure, being able to quickly solve one in your head is great, but having the general solution is way more practical.

Depends where....

[DrYak]

If you consider optimizing the crap out of something which is ultimately pointless, to be somehow comparable to what real programmers do, I suppose.

It's not pointless.

Yes, optimizing the crap out of some assembly loop aren't popular anymore in mainstream programming for the past several years, mainly because there are much more automated tools that can do quite a good job at optimising or analysing code and warning programmer about mistakes (something that would previously had required deep knowledge of the

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[octopus72]

Being an assembly wizard allowed people to produce "miracle" results in DOS era, but for modern, large scale projects it's counter productive to apply same programming practices. Such 'coders' tend to resort to too many last-bit optimizations, sacrifying code quality of the project, so there is danger that the whole codebase will end up as a huge unreadable pile of mess. Modern programmers need to be as systematic as possible, and use tools (like profilers, leak checkers - and even sandboxed environments, l

MARS.EXE

[Chairboy]

Second Reality, Unreal, the various music demos from the scene, these were pretty incredible. But one of the demos that rocked my socks the hardest was because of what it did for so little space. It was called 'MARS.EXE'. It was about 4KB and, when ran, would generate a VGA 3D world with shading and what looked like a fractal sky. You'd use your mouse and navigate in any direction (always facing the same direction, sure, but you could strafe) and you would slide up and down the smooth terrain.

There were demos with better graphics, but the most astonishing thing was what this could do with so little disk space. This ran under DOS, not Windows, so there wasn't a bunch of free APIs it could take advantage of, it was all crammed into a tiny-tiny package with built-in mouse support and everything.

Anyone can make a 'demo' that blasts megs of raw graphics through a video card. Hell, half the 'demos' today are probably made in the modern equivalent of 3DS or something with a chunk of 'player' code attached.

But that 4K 3D landscape program... that was tight.

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[alta]

I remember mars, it was sweet. In my CIS 150 class (C++ at the time) we had a bunch of brand new gateway's with 75MHz pentiums. They were running windows 3.11 and they all shipped with mars. FUN!

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[MikeBabcock]

I loved mars as well and frequently fantasized about future space flight games that would feature fractally rendered landscapes of its ilk.

I was most amazed by the speed with which it generated what were at the time very high quality 3D graphics.

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[Trogre]

Me too! I was likewise impressed with this one. I likes how the surfaces were extremely smooth, and carried on infinitely in every direction.

IIRC, the fractal sky was the plasma cloud they used to generate the height field, so the highest peaks were beneath the reddest cloud - or was it the whitest cloud, it was so long ago.

I hope it comes back soon

[techpawn]

Because this seems more like Art for geeks [slashdot.org].

Also, kind of funny. We're asked to download 'em so our processors have something to chew on and we make their server choke...

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[sm62704]

I thought at first when I saw the summary "at last, I've been vindicated." I've been saying for twenty years that programming is an art form. In fact I had a rather good naturedly heated discussion with Charles Broussard about this very subject on the Planet Crap website five or ten years ago, back when I was heavily into computer gaming.

His position was that programming wasn't art. Mine was that it is. Oddly (or not) his training is programming, while art was my major in college (You've probably seen "Stev [mcgrew.info]

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[techpawn]

I maintain that the code itself is art.

Part of what I do is code review. I've seen some very elegant code and I've seen some very bad hack jobs that just get the job done....If it's not up to par I send it back to be rewritten.
In that statement you've likened me to an art critic... I'll just haul off and pop a few in my skull, making the world a better place for all.

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[sm62704]

Oh hell, sorry I ruined your day! ;)

But you do illustrate my point.

Software art, yes, but...

[Lemmy Caution]

I don't think it is "programming as art" as much as it is "making art through programming", because the art-object - the thing that we are looking at and appreciating - is the execution of the program, not the source-code itself. We can be impressed at the skill and ingenuity of writing the program within the space confines that each demo category produces, just like we can be impressed at the self-imposed restrictions of Dogme 95 film-makers. Those restrictions are orthogonal to the effectiveness of the demo itself, though.

The programming is the how of the art work. But just like we can think of painting as art without thinking of "brushstrokes as art", we can think of software as art without calling it programming "as" art. I do think it is possible for source-code itself to be a work of aesthetic appreciation (granted, with a somewhat limited audience, but then all audiences are limited) but that's not what this is.

Re:Software art, yes, but...

[moderatorrater]

I disagree. Sometimes the beauty is the final product, sometimes the beauty is the method of making the final product. I remember seeing a program that would open itself and then edit itself so that it would print out its own source code where, at first glance, it looked like a simple string parser. Printing out its source code isn't art, but the way it was done does qualify it as art.

For something like Unreal Tournament or Half Life or Super Columbine Massacre: RPG!, the end product is what required the skill. For a 100k program to show graphics as good as an XBox game with a fully fleshed out level and multiple weapons, the skill is in the code itself, so that's where the art is.

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[Jesus_666]

It gets even more impressive with the likes of .kkrieger - a fully functional, quite pretty video game that does not come with any textures, models or level geometry at all - everything is procedurally generated. The result looks as good as most semi-recent shooters but comes in less than 96 kilobytes.

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[Lemmy Caution]

There is a difference between skill and art, a big one. Like I said elsewhere, this is a case of skillful, even virtuoso programming being used to create software art.

If they publish the code and show us that, then that becomes programming art. But although the constraints were programmatic, the demo is evaluated and appreciated based on its output. I actually think in the above case that you suggested that the source code itself was art, as the idea of the work was directly contained in it.

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[blhack]

I don't think it is "programming as art" as much as it is "making art through programming

I used to agree with you 100%. But then i started looking at some of my code and realizing that i could tell what kind of mood i was in by my approach to whatever problem i was coding against.
How is me pushing keys to manipulate my computer any different than a pianist pushing keys to manipulate his piano?

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[Lemmy Caution]

Don't misunderstand. I really do believe that "programming as art" is possible and in fact exists, as well as "programming as expression" My observation is that, since we don't look at the source code when we see a demoscene demo, but do see the output, and because we evaluate it based on its output rather than on the elegance of its source code, that this doesn't qualify as "programming as art." There is in this case a certain amount programming craft being employed to make software art, but that's somewha

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[Purity Of Essence]

I see what you are saying, and agree to a certain extend, but there is something about demoscene code that transcends pure craft. I don't know if it's art, but reading and understanding obscenely clever code can stimulate your emotions, or at the least, fill you with a sense wonder, something most art struggles to achieve.

That said, this is what I call programming as art: http://homepages.cwi.nl/~tromp/maze.html [homepages.cwi.nl]

Unfortunately, the Slashdot filter calls it "lame" and "junk", so I can't post it here.

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[Lemmy Caution]

See, I think the appreciation of any art requires some ability to comprehend cultural codes. Some of those codes are very, very widespread, some are more limited. I like contemporary art music (e.g., totalism) - it sounds like noise to a lot of people, so the audience is limited to people with some background in contemporary music. The audience for a French novel is limited to people who can read French; the audience for programming art is people who can understand code. There is absolutely nothing wrong wi

my favorite way of benchmarking my processor is...

[avi33]

...hosting a website and posting a link on slashdot.

Awesome Demos

[seadoo2006]

Anything from the demo group Farbrausch is guaranteed to be a good look. My personal recommendations include: --> FR-08: By far, this is the best demo of them all. 13+ minutes of sheer graphical goodness. In 64kB... --> FR-019: Awesome graphics, awesome music, just an incredible few minutes of sheer artistry. --> FR-025: Awesome music, cool graphics, adjustable resolution and graphical options. --> FR-041: Run this at the highest res you can and full options and you will make your graphic

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[marcansoft]

Also, Heaven Seven works just fine under Wine. Fully raytraced graphics with no GPU use!

Programming? As Art???

[OldSoldier]

I am a bit disappointed in this article. The subject made me think of some really beautiful pieces of code that I've seen in my life. Breseham's algorithm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bresenham's_line_algorithm [wikipedia.org] which is an integer arithmetic method of drawing a line on a computer monitor. I would love to have seen 12 more such examples of "artful code" but instead I get a link to a slashdotted article which appears to contain interesting 3D scenes and maybe animations done with older hardware. Boring.

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[adisakp]

The subject made me think of some really beautiful pieces of code that I've seen in my life. Breseham's algorithm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bresenham's_line_algorithm [wikipedia.org]

The code for the Mandelbrot Set is beautiful too... merely a repetition of ' Z = Z^2 + C '.

The Bresenham integer line stepper is genius, especially for it's time, but now it's commonly implemented in hardware and isn't even learned by many new 3D coders. That's not knocking it's importance... it's the graphical equivalent of inventing

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[Viewsonic]

You might want to read the article when it comes back, you might be surprised. The demoscene prided itself with playing with math in the fact that you had objects on the screen moving and deforming in crazy and amazing ways. A lot of the earlier demos on the Amiga also used hardware tricks that sometimes fooled, or "broke" the hardware to do certain effects with amazing results. Sure, a lot of demos were just a texture mapped box spinning around to some really cool music, but the ones with the textures that

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[gfody]

if you're into graphics algorithms you'll enjoy hugo's site [virgin.net]

They just HAD to pick 13, didn't they...

[jpellino]

"Service Temporarily Unavailable"
"The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later."
"Apache/1.3.33 Server at www.iheartchaos.com Port 80"

Server is going down in flames

[mzs]

Wow wordpress can't handle ./ AND it creates craptastic HTML. Forgive me if I screwed this up fixing all of the empty anchors.

The demoscene first appeared during the 8-bit era on computers such as the Commodore 64 and ZX Spectrum, and came to prominence during the rise of the 16/32-bit home computers (the Atari ST and the Amiga). In the early years, demos had a strong connection with software cracking. When a cracked program was started, the cracker or his team would take credit with a graphical introduction called a crack intro (shortened cracktro). Later, the making of intros and standalone demos evolved into a new subculture independent of the software piracy scene.

Prior to the popularity of IBM PC compatibles, most home computers of a given line had relatively little variance in their basic hardware, which made their capabilities practically identical. Therefore, the variations among demos created for one computer line were attributed to programming alone, rather than one computer having better hardware. This created a competitive environment in which demoscene groups would try to outperform each other in creating amazing effects, and often to demonstrate why they felt one machine was better than another (for example Commodore 64 or Amiga versus Atari 800 or ST).

Demo writers went to great lengths to get every last ounce of performance out of their target machine. Where games and application writers were concerned with the stability and functionality of their software, the demo writer was typically interested in how many CPU cycles a routine would consume and, more generally, how best to squeeze great activity onto the screen. Writers went so far as to exploit known hardware errors to produce effects that the manufacturer of the computer had not intended. The perception that the demo scene was going to extremes and charting new territory added to its draw.

Even with modern technology, where much of the effects seen in demos could be replicated in programs like 3D Studio Max, the point of demos are not just the beautiful visuals and music but the abilities of the programmers involved to write code so tight, so efficient, that something might be several megabytes if rendered in a 3D program comes out to less than 100k. So heres IHCs favorites from the demo scene of the last few years. These demos are in no particular order, and while weve provided Flash video links to each demo, the greatest joy is downloading them (PC only) and giving your graphic cards something fun to chew on.

Good Design

Lifeforce by Andromeda Software Design [iheartchaos.com]
Link to online Flash video [demoscene.tv]
Link to download [pouet.net]

Raw Confessions by cocoon [iheartchaos.com]
Link to online Flash video [youtube.com]
Link to download [pouet.net]

sandbox punks by cocoon [iheartchaos.com]
Link to online Flash video [demoscene.tv]
Link to download [pouet.net]

chaos theory by conspiracy [iheartchaos.com]
Link to online Flash video [demoscene.tv]
Link to download [pouet.net]

The popular demo by Far [iheartchaos.com]

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[cjsnell]

Don't blame it on Wordpress. Blame it on crappy Godaddy hosting.

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[slapout]

You know, you made me think of something. Apple has tightly controlled hardware, so Macs should have some pretty cool demos out there.

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[kb]

Not really. Past Apple hardware never had any good graphics or sound circuitry (and so was pretty noninteresting to the demoscene, also nobody in Europe except ad agencies and sound studios had them), and newer Apple computers are basically PCs with fairly crappy OpenGL drivers. Stuff you'd code on a current Mac would run as good and possibly better on a Windows PC.

there are two iPod demos [pouet.net] tho... :)

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[Jesus_666]

I fully expected to see .theprodukkt in there (even though they spelled it wrong); debris is also not unexpected, as is Lifeforce. 1995 by kewlers & mfx would have been nice, but the list does contain some very good choices. Farbrausch and ASD do make some of the best stuff out there.

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[kb]

Actually the full name is "fr-08: .the .product". .theprodukkt [theprodukkt.com] on the other hand is a spin-off company of some Farbrausch guys to monetize their procedural content generation technology and tools to a certain extent.

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[Jesus_666]

I always make that mistake. Every single time.

I really need to get a Windows system up, so my "greatest demos ever" folder gets some traffic again.

Pouet

[antdude]

Pouet [pouet.net]. Good stuff. Even top demos from people.

RTFA

[BigJClark]

I haven't rtfa, but I won't look at "thirteen timeless demos.." if it doesn't have Second Reality by the Future Crew. That demo, singlehandedly, motivated me to be a programmer, and duplicate what I saw. If the author of the list hasn't discovered it, or decided not to include it, then imho, its would be a waste of time to look at it his uninformed list.

Juice was another good one.

The two polyhedral meshes, with transparency (blue on red, I believe?), blew my arse right off the map.

Kids these days

[MadMidnightBomber]

In my day I had to hand-code demos in ARM assembler. On a 8MHz CPU. Without a floating-point unit, uphill, with no graphics card, both ways in the snow. We were so poor we had to unroll our own loops, write self-modifying code to build our own sprite-plot routines, and only use small SoundTracker modules. You tell that to kids these days, they won't believe you.

PS. This is actually true, apart from the snow and the uphill both ways bit. Also, TFA is 403.

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[MadMidnightBomber]

ARM2 cores started at 8MHz, back in '87. No on-chip cache - that was the 24MHz ARM3.

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[MadMidnightBomber]

Of course I've picked up an x86 manual - why do you think I was programming ARM? :p

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[MadMidnightBomber]

Spot on. But I was just doing embedded dev on an ARM5 core last year, so not entirely wasted effort.

Best of the Web?

[PPH]

Well, it appears that GoDaddy's web service isn't one of them.

Slashdotted.

Node - open source demo - linux and windows

[Tronster]

The demo "Node" and it's associated source code is available here:
www.tronster.com/code/node [tronster.com]

This was made by 2 programmers (me being one) and an artist/musician. It's not technically spectacular, but it was made to run on Linux and Windows, and ranked 3rd place at the Coma 2 demo competition.

The demo scene is a fantastically creative place to be. In middle school (][gs) and high school (PC), my friends and I would be the first to DL the latest demos from the European compos. It wasn't until college

Amnesia?

[Trogre]

But where is Amnesia by Renaissance? One of the best PC Demos I've come across (equal to Second Reality, IMO).

lol @ Second Reality fanboys

[Stormie]

Every time demos ever get discussed, you always get a bunch of Second Reality fanboys coming out of the woodwork. Yes, I know that demo was a glimmering of hope in your sad PC-owner lives, the first hint that maybe one day the reapidly advancing raw power of the PC platform would overtake the elegance of the Amiga's hardware. And yes, eventually that did happen. But Second Reality, in and of itself, was rubbish, far far below the standards of the demo scene at the time - and mark my words, the Amiga demo scene WAS the demo scene at that time. The PC scene was just a mediocre group of wannabes.

You want a classic blend of quality design and absolute top-shelf "impossible" code? Try "Arte" by Sanity.

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[kb]

Don't forget the "hey, they also did Second Reality on the C64" and the "demos? aren't these these Farbrausch things?" crowds. I kinda hate those two most. :)

The most impressive demo I've seen is...

[master_p]

...a game demo from 10 years ago, which I don't remember the title. It was most probably by Ion Storm, and it was the demo that caused mass media hysteria over Ion Storm. It featured a fight between a warrior and two or 3 skeletons. The soft shadows, supposedly real time, were projected onto the bodies of the actors, and where they combined, the shadow was harder.

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[Knos]

Into the shadows by the demogroup Triton? (Which later became Starbreeze Entertainment)

my very favorite demo

[CoughDropAddict]

I've watched a lot of demos, and my favorite will always be Bakkslide 7: YouTube link [youtube.com], download page for Win32 binary [pouet.net].

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[sg_oneill]

Shocking! People with different religions to you! What is the world coming to?

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[Purity Of Essence]

This is an interesting point and question, I think it's right on the money, I'm not sure why you would post AC. I run a programming website with tons of clever, freely available source code because I so dislike the hording mentality that infests the associated community.

Still, as far the demo scene goes, I think there is a certain amount of pride that prevents the authors from even wanting to see the code of others, because they would rather figure it out for themselves. That's a big part of the pleasure of

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[SQLGuru]

Well, you can always bet on Goat-C to be up....and that link always manages to appear on Slashdot.

Layne

Yes, this is art

[Half-pint HAL]

It is a metaphor for the futility of human existence.

Mah-vellous.

HAL.

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[Jesus_666]

As already pointed out, second reality is worth seeing, and after that 1998 by Kewlers & MFX will show where we have gone from that.

1998? Do you mean 1995 [pouet.net] or is there a similarly named demo me and Pouet are not aware of?

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[Da w00t]

Trixter, of DemoDVD (aka Mindcandy) fame will be presenting. Should be an awesome con.

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[XO]

Stars is like, the greatest thing ever, music wise.