Windows Phone 8 SDK — By Appointment Only 153
mikejuk writes "Developers worried about the changes that might be waiting for them in the new Windows Phone 8 API are going to have to wait even longer to find out. Microsoft has just announced that the SDK will be available soon, but only to the developers it approves. If you already have a published app, then you can apply to be part of the program. The announcement says, 'But I do want to set your expectations that program access will be limited.' The public SDK will be made available 'later this year,' which is behind the timetable that developers were led to expect. As you can imagine, the developer community, judging by the comment stream, is less than happy. What makes this whole development even stranger is that the announcement was made on the day Nokia previewed a range of WP8 devices. The Nokia launch got most of the publicity, so perhaps the idea was that a little negative news wouldn't be noticed. The real question is: why the limited availability?"
BUT WILL ANYONE CARE ?? (Score:1)
Show of hands !!
I said, Show of hands !!
Hidden Fortressed Garden (Score:5, Funny)
Steve Ballmer: Alright you dumbshits, I've been up all night reading about this new "walled garden" thing that Apple has and I want one for Microsoft!
Executive #1: Are you serious? Why play their game? We've been gaining developers by opening up to the community and
Steve Ballmer: Shut up and get out, you're fired. Anyone else want to call me a copycat?
Executive #2: We could
Steve Ballmer: That's a good idea but we need something better, something that sends a message to developers developers developers developers that we don't even need them. It used to be about the developers developers developers developers but maybe -- just maybe -- they're like women and you gotta hit 'em a little bit so they appreciate when you're nice to them. I don't just want a measly walled garden, I want a fortressed garden with turrets that shoot anything that moves and has a Guantanamo Bay garden where no one has any rights and developers developers developers developers are tortured while we urinate on copies of the GPL and
Executive #3: Well, my division's about to release the Windows Phone 8 SDK, we could, say, charge $100 for people just to see the API?
Steve Ballmer: That's good but it's not quite there yet. That sounds like those Member's Only jackets that weren't really "members only" and anyone with a bennie could pick one up. I mean when I was an up and coming star in this company I bought one and thought that it was a mark of success and then there I was in McDonald's ordering my daily seven quarter pounders with cheese and this fucking teenager has a Members Only jacket on. And so I ask him what club he's a member of that he thinks he can wear this piece of clothing around and he laughs and says 'Dude, it's 2005, every thrift store in the world sells these for $5, it's like, ironic, you know, hipster' and so then I just reach over the counter to strangle the last breath out of his
Executive #3: *AHEM* Wellllll, we could actually make this "members only" and send out invitations to participate in the release of the Windows 8 SDK.
Steve Ballmer: YES! That's what I'm talkin' about. That's the kind of innovation and vision this company needs! You just won the income of this dumbass over here
Executive #1: What?! You can't do that!
Steve Ballmer: Oh I can. In fact, fuck it, it's retroactive for this fiscal year. You'll get a bill in the mail. Cheer up, your taxes just got a whole lot easier.
*huffing and puffing, Ballmer drags a stack of chairs up to the conference table next to the shocked first executive*
Steve Ballmer:
Microsoft has a new business model!! (Score:2)
they're copying RIM
jackets (Score:2)
Hopefully MS was never trained how to correctly secure a real straightjacket, the true excape artists just hate when that happens. Note to self, never volunteer to help in a magic act again.
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AWESOME! I can't wait for the movie!!
I hear Michael Bay is directing.
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With a soundtrack by Michael Bolton.
'You know the problem with the other app stores?' (Score:5, Funny)
'Too many apps'.
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Too many apps
Maybe there's an app for that?
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Seriously, that's basically what sells a smartphone platform now.
You can have the greatest HW ever but if there are no apps to take advantage of it...
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Warning: Link autoplays ads at full volume (Score:2, Offtopic)
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a) Why don't you use adblock!?
b) Why would you have flash installed AT WORK? With no adblock?
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Because work forces IE8 on everyone and forces Flash install. I'd love to have AdBlock, it's so weird here compared to home.
If I could, I'd use something safer, but it's not my department.
Hell, I was using IE6 up until last year. But then, I can actually look at Slashdot at work, so there's that.
(First world problems.)
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IE has what amounts to a built-in Flashblock.
Tools (gear icon) -> Manage Add-ons -> select Shockwave Flash Object -> More Information (hyperlink text in the lower panel) -> Remove all sites. (These instructions are from IE9 but I believe it's the same on IE8; I just don't have a handy install of the latter).
This prevents Flashplayer from loading without you first granting it permission to do so. The grant is domain-wide, so it's less fine-grained than true Flashblock, but it does consider the so
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I've been told that they stopped this practice some time back. I wouldn't know as they lost me as a customer permanently for doing this.
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Roman Polanski, maybe?
Obviously not ready (Score:5, Insightful)
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Releasing things that aren't quite ready? Microsoft? Never!!! Sounds like that Vanity Fair piece was more right than nought. MS is behind when it comes to smartphones/tablets. They blew a huge lead. To catch up you would think that they would get on track when it comes to execution, but no.
You would think that they would work on execution.
Re:Obviously not ready (Score:5, Interesting)
Not only that, but the rapid path to market that Microsoft promised Nokia, was the excuse Nokia's CEO Stephen Elop wrote as the reasoning behind the 'Burning Platform' memo in February 2011. Since then Elop has gone out of his way to fire any in-house developer that is not assigned to work on Windows phones. Elop burned all that Linux expertise, because of the Microsoft Fast-track promised. Nokia also burned all those QT developers, Intel, etc. after Elop went gangbusters for Microsoft. In fact at the time Elop said the amount of bugs to ship a Linux platform was greater than the Windows Phone fast-track, (nevermind the Nokia N9 team totally proved him wrong by delivering a most-excellent phone, before they were all fired by Elop).
FWIW, Elop has also demonstrated zero Plan B, because no doubt he doesn't expect to be there for Plan B should the Plan B option even exist once he's finished.
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The mere fact that Elop has not publicly presented a plan B does not mean once does not exist. I'm fairly sure it does... Plan B is most likely for Microsoft to buy Nokia for pennies to the dollar once plan A has run its course. They will keep the patents and shed the rest. Those patents will be used to shake down the rest of the industry. Isn't paten
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Plan B is most likely for Microsoft to buy Nokia for pennies to the dollar
I'm pretty sure we're still talking about Plan A here.
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I'd be more inclined to think that it's because too many announcements have been leaked because people picked apart the SDK. (i.e. the 9-pin Apple connector)
Limiting the SDK release would likely minimize these types of leaks.
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So you don't know what the features are yet it will be your next phone
Yes, based on my satisfaction with the current platform, the leaked SDK, the information that's been released so far, and the fact that I develop software for the platform, I don't see why it's unreasonable to anticipate WP8 will be my next platform.
you tirelessly come on here (and Engadget) to attack Android.
I'd love for you to point me to this tireless attack on Android... I have a measly 400 total comments on Engadget over the course of like 3 years. So tireless!
Thanks for confirming you are little more than a sheep fanboy who's opinions are completely worthless.
And who exactly are you, AC? Try logging in first and then talk to me about reputation.
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8 is to be a significant departure from 7.x
In some ways, but every departure from WP7 seems to be an improvement. WP8 is a complete superset of WP7: same interface, same apps, same ecosystem. What I like about WP7 will still be there in WP8.
MS is notorious for cutting features from the operating systems.
Okay, I'll keep a tally. But it doesn't really matter because even if they cut 100% of the leaked SDK features (well, at least two have been demoed officially), the biggest features have already been announced in June (windows 8 core, native code, background multitasking, better hardware).
You have no idea beyond the basics what features will be in store and you
I don't have to. WP8 is
In other words.... (Score:5, Insightful)
It's probably not a huge deal since Apple didn't release a iPhone OS SDK until a year and a half after the iPhone was introduced.... except MS will needs every advantage they can get to make WP8 have a dent in the phone market...
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A: Developers, developers, developers! (Score:3)
Q: Who are you going to shit on next?
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One of the reasons that Windows was so successful was that there was such a low buy-in cost to become a developer.
One of the reasons that OS/2 was such a failure what that there was such a HIGH buy-in cost to become a developer. Well, that and some backstabbing from Microsoft.
The only reason Windows 8 has a shot at becoming the #3 portable device OS platform after iOS and Android is that the other competitors are downright puny in comparison. Things like WebOS, Symbian, and so forth were already failing.
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Exactly. As for the 1 and 2 spots (in no particular order), MS does not have the hip buy-in of Apple and you can become an Android developer for free, so they haven't a chance given their current policies.
Possibly,... (Score:4, Interesting)
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Except that, if my RTM build of Windows 8 courtesy of the MS VLSC is any indication...it's not filled with much of anything. No Netflix. No Pandora (though there is Slacker). No FTP clients. No IRC clients. None of the Angry Birds games (though there is Cut the Rope, and it's free). No other applications that seem to take advantage of a desktop being more powerful than a last-gen Lumia. Really, it's a pretty experience that has little of actual value. If they want to be first in...basically any category, th
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I've looked into writing an IRC client for Win8, but it's damn tricky to make one that would work as it should in the background. WinRT has app lifecycle model that's somewhat similar to iOS. You can maintain an open socket and listen for TCP packets on it - your app will be resumed to handle it, then suspended again - but it is only allowed for those apps which the user explicitly puts on the lock screen, and even then there are very tight quotas on CPU time and bandwidth. I understand that it's all about
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You need to find your version of the secret undocumented _fsprintf function that is included in every version of Windows since version 2.0 in 1987. These functions aren't officially documented, however they are required by Microsoft for the software it develops. In the case of the _fsprintf function, it was used in Microsoft Excel and widely used by third party developers. As such, it was kept for compatibility for 25 years.
Finding out about these secret functions is tough. Waiting for the book to come o
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Missed Opportunity (Score:2)
Crazy. I thought Microsoft, although very late to the game, had a legitimate chance to break into the tablet and phone market.
But isn't having apps the key to their potential success?
There must be big problems at Microsoft
Time to move on (Score:3)
If developers would stop developing on the asshat platforms, they wouldn't have to put up with it. The only reason this kind of crap goes on is because people allow it.
In Soviet Russia (Score:2)
Start Button (Score:2)
Quit trolling (Score:5, Insightful)
Chicken and egg (Score:2)
If you RTFA it says microsoft is releasing the API to all developers who have previously released apps.
How does one make and release an app without having the SDK?
Re:Chicken and egg (Score:5, Funny)
How does one make and release an app without having the SDK?
Immaculate Compilation
+1 Interesting / Insightful / Informative / Funny (Score:2)
Gah, where are my mod points...
:-P
Re:Chicken and egg (Score:4, Insightful)
http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/news/item/14960_100000_apps_published_to_Windo.php [allaboutwindowsphone.com]
Like that. The comments section for this article is full of of ignorant blowtard haters that fail at reading comprehension.
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By using the SDK for WP7.
WP7 before WP8 (Score:2)
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I was answering a very specific and narrow question - i.e. how did those people who got access now got it. I don't have a good answer for this one, and, frankly, I do find this whole arrangement rather silly, especially side by side with the considerably better handled Win8 dev story.
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Next Wednesday I’ll share detailed instructions on how current Windows Phone developers with published apps can apply. But I do want to set your expectations that program access will be limited. (emphasis added)
So it's restricted to developers with published apps and only a limited subset of them... maybe first come first serve, who knows. They're being very coy about this whole thing, which is what makes it that much more frustrating. They say: "The full Windows Phone 8 SDK will be made publically available later this year when we unveil Windows Phone 8." Well *when* is that? October? November? December 31 11:59:59 PM?
Obvious reason (Score:2)
WM9 is on schedule.
Hacking prevention (Score:2)
Likely the SDK just isn't 'ready'. Seen it before. (Score:4, Interesting)
I've seen this so many times before, from both sides. When the SDK is usable but not 'done' (locked down, polished up, fully documented) you restrict it to eager early devs with caveats like 'API calls subject to change!' The early devs also act as free beta/QA testers, which is the single biggest reason to do the pre-release at all. Then when it's Finished finished you release it to the wilds.
This doesn't tell you whether just the SDK isn't done or whether the OS APIs aren't locked down yet either. The latter would be bad if they're intending to get the SDK out this year.
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The SDK not being ready doesn't really rationalize charging money for access. If I'm beta-testing their SDK, they should pay me.
But of course, the answer to "why charge money?" is, invariably, "because they can". Everyone wants to start coding ASAP so they can get their app into the marketplace before their competitors do. So they'll pony up the dough.
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Yeah, people used to ask 'Who the heck would pay for a game beta?' Now we know.
Sounds like they want to head off homebrew (Score:2)
The last time around, they just bought off the developers and closed the hole off.
This time around, they're making sure nobody exists that has to be bought off.
The "It's not ready" calls sound like they're apologizing for such actions.
That's odd... (Score:2)
When I pointed out in another article that the death of Windows Phone 8 would be because it had no apps, I was told that there would be plenty of apps, because all the Windows 8 apps would *be* Windows Phone 8 apps. But if that's true, why is there even a Windows Phone 8 SDK? Won't they all just be using the Windows 8 SDK? Or could it be that developing for a smartphone *is* different from developing for the desktop, after all?
Microsoft is smart! (Score:2)
Re:Google Does This Too (Score:5, Insightful)
I think this is right choice from Microsoft. They know what's best for us developers. Hell, they made the best IDE on planet - Visual Studio - too!
I'm thinking that we need a new moderation: "-1 Shill"
Re:Google Does This Too (Score:5, Insightful)
I think this is right choice from Microsoft. They know what's best for us developers. Hell, they made the best IDE on planet - Visual Studio - too!
I'm thinking that we need a new moderation: "-1 Shill"
That or a sarcasm tag.
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Sarcasm is supposed to be witty. That post wasn't.
A tag for flawed sarcasm attempt, perhaps. But in what way would that be meaningfully different from -1, Troll?
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> I'm thinking that we need a new moderation: "-1 Shill"
It'd be useful, but quite frankly I think the GP is more deserving of a "+1 Funny"...
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VS is the best ide.... but only if you want to code C# or VB.. and you like grey.
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Google+ and Gmail have had decades-long rollouts. New Mobile OS versions come out every 2 years. Well, make that a year for WP 7. Sorry to the idiots who bought that one.
Right choice or wrong, you have to wonder about a company putting out software so competitive, it kills the companies that make the hardware for it. So they have this dud, and they erect barriers to developers? Didn't The Great Chair-Thrower himself predict that the next breakthroug
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Google+ and Gmail have had decades-long rollouts.
Decades? Google itself is only 14 years old...
Re:Google Does This Too (Score:5, Insightful)
What are you going on about? Your comparing API access to G+ and GMail to an entire platforms SDK? Oranges and Apples. But you seem new to the internets, what with your only 2 posts ever made, so maybe you don't know how things work? Couldn't possibly be a shill..
The day Gingerbread/ICS/JB was announced I could develop for it - ok maybe there was a day or two while it was uploaded - but none of this "oh sorry, only a few developers are allowed to work on JB"
If anything wouldn't you want to get the SDK into developers hands ASAP so that, you know, apps can be written?
I'd be pissed if Google did this with Android 5.0, so why shouldn't developers for Win8 also be annoyed?
Re:Google Does This Too (Score:4, Interesting)
This is even worse than it first appears if you get past the hype and look to history. In the past pretty much every developer Microsoft could find would have development tools a year before a new OS launched to ensure apps would be ready to drop on release day. Nokia just announced product with Windows 8 and select brown nose devs will be getting complete dev tool support SOON? What?
Balmer may still be there but he ain't the same Monkey Boy who did the sweaty, bouncy, "Developers! Developers! Developers!" dance. It is clear that not only the hardware partners are going under the bus, the future for 3rd party application developers is dimming. Which of course is the way it must be. Microsoft currently has as close to a total monopoly on the desktop with Windows and Office as can be. So if they are to grow the topline they won't be doing it by doing more of what made them big. So they have to take in the hardware profits and eventually try to suck in the rest of the application space's profits. Dell's profit margins aren't huge but it makes serious coin on the gross revenue line and it will look good on the topline to keep the institutional investors happy a few more years. Plus, in the long run it is probably the only way to truly lock the platform, which is the only way to cut off the penguin's oxygen supply.
They could take out Netscape by making IE free but that doesn't work with Linux since it is already Free. But what it does need is a plentiful supply of commodity hardware and thus that is it's oxygen. Cut that off and it dies. Android can be dealt with later, assuming they don't end up just monitizing it through patent trolling to the point it makes them so much money they can't afford to kill it.
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The strange thing is just how different this is compared to Win8, for which the first beta of developer tools was publicly available more than a year before the release as well (along with a beta of Win8 itself).
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And it is significantly different compared to WP7 and it's mango update, the sdks were available well before those release dates.
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>The day Gingerbread/ICS/JB was announced I could develop for it - ok maybe there was a day or two while it was uploaded - but none of this "oh sorry, only a few developers are allowed to work on JB"
I know this is Slashdot's bash MS article of the hour but citation please?
We're talking about a pre-release version. Was there a prerelease version/SDK of ICS distributed to OEMs or public outside of Google/Samsung? Even Windows beta versions are released to the public, unlike Google's completely closed devel
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Huh? Google io. I watched it and downloaded the SDK that day. You seriously need a citation for that?
WP8 was announced this Summer. Where's your Confusion?
LOL at your insinuation that Microsoft's code is more open then Googles tho. That was gold.
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Do you know there are differences between '(Announced' and 'Released') and (final SDK and beta SDK) right? You're comparing apples to oranges.
>LOL at your insinuation that Microsoft's code is more open then Googles tho. That was gold.
Only in the aspect of pre-release software. Microsoft generally has beta versions available to ALL OEMs(see Windows and Windows Phone). Google plays favorites with OEMs and picks only one blessed OEM to make Nexus(Samsung last year) to get the beta code. Once the Nexus is ou
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I'd like to say the initial release of the JB SDK was not considered finished - but my Googlefu isn't backing that up. However in the past "Beta" SDK's have been released, I know there was for R20.
http://www.landofdroid.com/2012/developers-android-r20-beta/ [landofdroid.com]
What your referring to - OEM partners - doesn't apply. That refers to handsets. Developers, for the most part, don't build handsets. Thats hardware. I'm talking software. I have NO idea who gets access to Microsofts "code" to make their handsets wor
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>Microsoft announced Windows 8 - nothing
Perhaps you mean Windows Phone 8. Otherwise you're dead wrong.
>Regardless - we are actually talking (well I was, and I was who you were responding to) - Announcements. Google announces 4.1 and the SDK followed suit
So you had no idea till ICS was announced end of last year that ICS was coming?
Different companies reveal different things at various points of time depending on a bunch of factors. Just because Google chose to do it so late and close to the release o
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Uhh of course I meant Windows Phone 8 - sorry. In future JB = Jelly Bean, and ICS = Ice Cream Sandwich. I figured by now we'd know what we are referring to, but I was obviously mistaken. Sorry.
No I knew it was coming, but I also knew WP8 was coming before their announcement. I also know Android 5.0 is coming. And WP9. Again, what's your point?
Google never, not once, told the public "hey JB is coming! It's awesome. Oh and we have an SDK, but your not allowed to use it"
Public perception - Google, Appl
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>Google never, not once, told the public "hey JB is coming! It's awesome. Oh and we have an SDK, but your not allowed to use it"
That is related to the point that you wanted to gloss over because it doesn't fit with your perception of Android being more open in all aspects . Google keeps the release super secret from all people and OEMs except one till the last minute, so they needn't worry about leaks and can have a big announcement at the last minute, same with iOS. Prerelease versions of WP are given
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What about it?
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Honeycomb-and-Ice-Cream-Sandwich-source-code-released-early_id23768 [phonearena.com]
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I don't recall Google stifling Android like this. Nothing to worry about. Microsoft can do what it likes. Android and iOS have such commanding leads that Microsoft is likely irrelevant.
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Everyone knows Microsoft has the best marketing engine in the world
You're joking, right? Microsoft has some of the worst marketing ever. Their ads and marketing campaigns are terrible...
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but I bet they now where to take you out to wine and dine to into signing contracts with them.
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Everyone knows Microsoft has the best marketing engine in the world
You're joking, right? Microsoft has some of the worst marketing ever. Their ads and marketing campaigns are terrible...
Microsoft's marketing has humour, at least - they made a great youtube video [youtube.com].
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"Everyone knows Microsoft has the best marketing engine in the world..."
BAHAHAHA!!!
From the geniuses that brought us this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11NOblvuEpU [youtube.com]
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I disagree. I don't think Microsoft has a good marketing division any more, or at least it's too overloaded to do any good. I would say Apple's marketing easily exceeds Microsoft's in competency and charisma.
There is no room for error that I can see. Microsoft is years late to this party, and to be pissing off developers is insane. This isn't 1995 any more, where Microsoft's market share basically gave it carte blanche to do whatever it likes to developers and customers.
If the 8 isn't ready soon, then so fa
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Yes. I own one and am currently working at a Microsoft consultancy and am MS cert, yet I doubt I'll poke it with a stick or buy another one.
Android next time...
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Yeah, less starch next time.
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"Who cares?"
That is the real question.
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Learned what from Apple? All Apple get early access to pre-release iOS versions and SDKs. This is pretty much the opposite of what Apple does. But don't let facts get in the way of your Apple bashing.
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"All Apple" should be "All Apple registered iOS Developers"
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No I'm 100% right. Apple developers pay for the privilege to develop on the platform, then get screwed, apps pulled etc. Apple has never been about developers. I dumped the platform in 2008 as it was a risky bet. Microsoft are copying this model.
I'm not talking about SDK distribution. The Windows Phone SDK is pay to deploy as well (even on your own device).
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So despite referencing the topic at hand, which was solely about tool access, you weren't talking about the topic at hand but wanted to throw Apple in for no good reason? Ok...
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Microsoft learned this from Apple i.e by treating their developers like crap.
But the difference is that Apple was pretty much breaking new ground with the iPhone and iPad, so they got to set the terms. (Note that the "treat developers like crap" strategy wasn't, and isn't, really all that successful on the desktop versions of MacOS.) These devices sold like mad, so if developers wanted access, they had to play by Apple's rules. Microsoft does not and will not have that advantage with Windows Phone. In fa
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There was never the idea that developers had to pay for acces to the API use or information, as in MS charging $500 then $1000 for MSDN.
Win32 API documentation is available for free on the MSDN website [microsoft.com] and has been for years. There's no need to pay for any subscription. If you do a Google search for a Win32 API function name, the first result will usually be the official documentation for that function.
I know that some people say that MS gives away visual studio, but anyone who says that has not tried to
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API docs and open standards are available for Microsoft stuff and they always have been. There have been 100% free dev tools since 2002. The C# compiler ships with the OS still (check inside c:\windows\microsoft.net\framework\v3.5\csc.exe )
MSDN: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms123401.aspx [microsoft.com]
Standards: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd208104(PROT.10).aspx [microsoft.com]
The problem is that they're closing the tooling and making it subscription based.
This is abusing the trust they have created.
MyCleanPC and GameMaker (Score:2)
But but but the first post shills Microsoft hired to troll Slashdot keep saying VS is the bestest IDE ever in the whole wide world EVER!
Other shills claim that YoYo's GameMaker is better than Pygame. Still other shills claim that MyCleanPC is better than backing up the documents, wiping the computer, and putting on Xubuntu.
Are... are you trying to say... that a first post shill is... is... wrong somehow?
Umm... yeah.
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Multi-core and NFC are there.