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New GitHub Upgrades Respond To Recent Complaints ( 84

destinyland writes: Last week GitHub announced the ability to create templates for Issues and Pull Requests, in an apparent response to an open letter signed by 600+ project maintainers. "This is the first of many improvements to Issues and Pull Requests that we're working on based on feedback from the community," "wrote Ben Bleikamp, Product Manager at GitHub. The original letter, hosted in a "Dear-Github" repository, noted that "If GitHub were open source itself, we would be implementing these things ourselves as a community..." But this week GitHub continued releasing new improvements, offering a new feature with to upload files directly into repositories without leaving their browser.
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New GitHub Upgrades Respond To Recent Complaints

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @11:57AM (#51575003)

    Wonder if they'll drop the social justice BS too

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      The parent comment shouldn't have been modded down.

      The use of "social justice" as an online weapon of sorts is actually a very serious issue for many of who have considered using GitHub.

      There's the whole Open Code of Conduct [] debacle. On that very page, under the "What companies or communities support or use the Open Code of Conduct?" section, it clearly states "GitHub".

      I encourage everyone to read the code of conduct for themselves. It's just absurd how detailed and controlling that code of conduct actually

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        We have adopted the Open Code of Conduct for the open source projects that we maintain, including Atom, Electron, Git LFS, and many others. The Open Code of Conduct does not apply to all activity on GitHub, and it does not alter GitHub's Terms of Service. []

        Can you point to some specific issues with the Terms of Service []?

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          I think the row is about the Open Code of Conduct [] that GitHub claims to support, not its terms of service.

          The Open Code of Conduct, for the most part, is a reasonable document. If I had a project I cared to implement it for, I would implement v1.0 sans this excerpt (not fixing the UTF for /.):

          Our open source community prioritizes marginalized peopleâ(TM)s safety over privileged peopleâ(TM)s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding:

          - âReverseâ(TM) -isms, including âreverse racism,â(TM) âreverse sexism,â(TM) and âcisphobiaâ(TM)
          - Reasonable communication of boundaries, such as âoeleave me alone,â âoego away,â or âoeIâ(TM)m not discussing this with youâ
          - Refusal to explain or debate social justice concepts
          - Communicating in a âtoneâ(TM) you donâ(TM)t find congenial
          - Criticizing racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions

          That part of the document makes no sense to me and seems to throw the rest of the document out the window. This is little different from the hostile environment I encountered at Grand Valley State University in Michi

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            Okay, I think the issue is that there is some jargon you have misunderstood. The use of jargon is a bit of an issue with the text you quoted.

            Reverse-isms refers to things like people complaining that groups set up to help trans people are not willing to help cis people. Most people accept that offering help to underprivileged groups is not discriminatory towards others.

            As for the point about not explaining social justice concepts, that's there to stop sealioning. Github and projects that adopt the code are

            • Ah, ok. Thanks for the clarification. I had read the jargon and interpreted it as a license to harass since that's been what I've encountered for the most part from people claiming to be "feminists."

              If what you're saying is true, I would be able to support the Open Code of Conduct with the provision that it should be more clear that it is not facilitating the kind of revenge discrimination (including threats of violence and death wishes) that many cisgendered women here in bizarro world feel is necessary.

              • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

                I would hope such a code of conduct would have my back.

                It doesn't. There's no such thing as "reverse-isms" in their world [], and since their definition of racism is "power+privlidge" you're fucked.

                • I am aware of this position, thank you. I have been on its receiving end before, although not in a racist sense. I have no quarrel with different ethnic groups, and they have no quarrel with me. We support each other, because we're a community, and that's what community members do.

                  You forget: I'm a certified cis+het all-men shitlord! (Doubly so for liking learning sewing and baking in home ec much to the chagrin of cisgendered women!) I am merely trying to negotiate some other position because I have f

                  • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

                    I am aware of this position, thank you. I have been on its receiving end before, although not in a racist sense. I have no quarrel with different ethnic groups, and they have no quarrel with me. We support each other, because we're a community, and that's what community members do.

                    Oh, you're not missing much in the racist sense. I personally like the grifters out there that say "you're privileged" in one sentence, then say you're an oppressed minority in the next.

                    You forget: I'm a certified cis+het all-men shitlord!

                    Being white/asian(or japanese)-het I get the unique chance to see the triple standards first hand at times. And all the whining that gets thrown my way too.

                    I would not leave a career where I have 20+ years of experience for flipping burgers lightly.

                    Neither would I, but I'd move my repositories to something besides github(which I and the company I work for has long since done). Especially since they no longer beli

              • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                Beware that there are a lot of people claiming to be feminists, but who are really just trolls. There are a lot of them on Github lately. I've noticed some ACs have been pretending to be me by posting here as if I had forgotten to log in too.

      • by dave420 ( 699308 )

        The reverse-isms section does not make discrimination against certain groups mandatory. You'd probably be less outraged if you read it properly.

        You would be "brutally controlled" by those terms only if you acted like a boorish fool amongst the other people. People acting professionally and sticking to the purpose of why they are there just want to get on with their work. People jumping in and calling everyone ridiculous epithets will be shunned, as has been human tradition for centuries.

        So please don't h

    • Clearly, there is a market for distributed version control for those that favor social injustice.

    • by fche ( 36607 )

      "Coraline Ada Ehmke

      I'm thrilled to announce that I will be joining the team at @github next month to work on community management and anti-harassment tools.

      So that's a no then.

  • **Distributed** VCS. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by 0100010001010011 ( 652467 ) on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @11:58AM (#51575009)

    So stop using them.

    If you don't want to host:

    • (whiplash, I'm counting on you fixing sf's name)

    Or if you're a slashdotter that knows how to self host:

    • by Gaygirlie ( 1657131 ) <gaygirlie&hotmail,com> on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @12:24PM (#51575151) Homepage

      Your reaction to them implementing a feature that people had asked for is to...suggest moving to something else?

  • by grahamtriggs ( 572707 ) on Wednesday February 24, 2016 @12:14PM (#51575071)

    It might be difficult to charge for the enterprise platform - which is part of what funds the availability of GitHub in the first place.

    I am an open source developer - I work on an open source platform - but I'm not a zealot. I *like* the principles of open source, but pragmatically it can't always provide a means to have supported software in all cases. Having an organisation that can keep the lights on at GitHub is more important than the whole of their code being open source - but maybe there is an opportunity to open up parts of it, like the issues.

    You can say that people using a free service have no right to complain - but ultimately, you would think that the people paying for a hosted repository, or paying for the enterprise edition, might share similar concerns. So it is a little surprising that the issue tracking features have been as neglected.

    • by MartinG ( 52587 ) is fully open source and is enjoying good growth, including commercially.

      Avoiding being open source because you don't understand how to create a modern business model around it is a problem that largely went away over a decade ago.

      Keeping the lights on vs being open source is a false dichotomy.

      Ultimately, gitlab (or something like it) will win, because the users will develop the features they need instead of moaning about it.

      I'm not certain, but it seems you are also mixing free of charge with op

      • Avoiding being open source because you don't understand how to create a modern business model around it is a problem that largely went away over a decade ago.

        Nonsense. Yes, there are successful business models around open source, but they're more challenging to maintain and manage, and tend to to have growth ceilings that traditional models do not. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with closed source models, unless they're forcing out open source solutions. Given the existence of gitlab, that's clearly not the case here. Github should do what its owners believe is best for their business. Customers will either stick with them, or not. So far, it's working pret

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Stop using GitHub.
    They are racist idiots that need to go.

    You can easily switch to GitLab, you can even import from gith*b straightforward.

  • ... like almost all startup workers using OSX, they don't believe in the power of open source tools. Aside the fact they use HTML/CSS/JS/jQuery/Boostratp, Rails, Jekyll, MySQL-or-Postgres-or-any-FOSS-NoSQL and probably Linux in the server.

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