Ivanka Trump To Take Coding Class With 5-Year-Old Daughter (hollywoodlife.com) 366
theodp writes: Speaking about women in STEM at a Women's History Month event at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum, new [unpaid] federal employee Ivanka Trump revealed she'll be taking a computer coding class with her 5-year-old daughter. "On a very personal level, as a mom I'm trying to do my part as well," Ivanka told the crowd. "My daughter Arabella and I are enrolling in a coding class this summer." Parroting supermodel Karlie Kloss (the girlfriend of Ivanka's brother-in-law), the first daughter added, "We're excited to learn this incredibly important new language together. Coding truly is the language of the future."
Lesson 1 (Score:5, Funny)
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Thank God my taxes won't have to cover your doctor bills for much longer.
lol. You should check the news more often. Your orange hero fucked it up again.
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The only FAIL here is YOU. The Trumps only know how to WIN, as evidenced by the election last year. Keep being butthurt, though, libtard. Thank God my taxes won't have to cover your doctor bills for much longer.
This seems like someone making fun of Trump voters with a trollish parody post, but I'm just not sure enough to rule out an actual supporter writing something this dumb.
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Re: Lesson 1 (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re: Lesson 1 (Score:5, Insightful)
Flint Michigan's Mayer and City Council was Republican?
The EPA officials were Republican?
Who made the decision not to maintain the infrastructure for the last 40 years. Oh, yeah. Democrats.
Who signed off on the condition of the water pipes? oh yeah the EPA.
But you blame the governor. Yup. good thinking there.
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Re: Lesson 1 (Score:5, Insightful)
A typical one. You do realize that the majority of the ultra rich, the ones people complain about not paying taxes, tend to vote Democrat, right? Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Jeff Bezos, they all tend to vote Democrat (I think officially they're registered independent). It's the middle class that tends to vote Republican, and the middle class doesn't make enough to do all the tax avoidance that the rich get. Hell, stop and think, next time Warren Buffet says income tax needs to be increased, think about who that hits. I'll give you a hint, the ultra rich don't typically have traditional "income" to be taxed.
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I'll give you a hint
lol. It doesn't know that Trump spazzed the healthcare act, but it's giving 'hints'.
Re: Lesson 1 (Score:5, Informative)
... Warren Buffet says income tax needs to be increased ...
No, Warren Buffet has said that it is illogical that he (making a lot of money) pays a lower tax rate than his secretary (making much less money), and has suggested that the EFFECTIVE TAX RATE on high income needs to be increased. On himself.
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... Warren Buffet says income tax needs to be increased ...
No, Warren Buffet has said that it is illogical that he (making a lot of money) pays a lower tax rate than his secretary (making much less money), and has suggested that the EFFECTIVE TAX RATE on high income needs to be increased. On himself.
So how much extra does he voluntarily pay then?
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I think you'll find that he's voluntarily paying out most of his fortune to the Gate Foundation. Paying that money to the government instead of a charity would make him a fool, which he is not.
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That's his point - make his effective tax rate higher. But not just his, all people with his level of income.
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Re: Lesson 1 (Score:4, Insightful)
A Trump Republican? (Score:5, Insightful)
You pay taxes? Seriously? What kind of republican are you?
As Racheal Maddow showed us, in just one year Trump paid $38 *million* in income taxes, more than probably the whole of Slashdot will pay on income taxes in a lifetime.
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How Brave New World.
Re: Lesson 1 (Score:4, Insightful)
Nope instead your insurance premiums will continue to cover other people's bills. You know, since that's how all insurance works.
But that's not how Obamacare works, at least not for millions of middle-class people who are self employed or run small businesses and actually have to write a check every month. Their premiums have gone up hundreds of percent, and many no longer have the cash to go visit the doctor ... but because a small family might have a deductible of $20,000 ... they get no healthcare unless it's catastrophic, and they're still wiped out. For millions of people who WERE buying insurance and able to write a check to the doctor, they no longer can. The ACA is the Healthcare Prevention Act, but it certainly does work as the Democrats intended - a massive new tax that distributes middle class income to other people to buy votes.
Re: Lesson 1 (Score:5, Informative)
Our rates have gone up over 50% per year every year since the ACA went into effect. Up 70% for 2017, and government says they expect next year (2018) to see another increase of close to 90% again. That's how they get around the "out of pocket" limits - by hugely increasing the monthly premiums, which are VERY MUCH out of pocket, but which don't get you a dime of actual health care. And no, "preventative care" is not covered. You get things like simple blood tests one a year (for which you pay part of the visit, and the lab costs), but of course no treatment of any kind - preventative or otherwise - is ever included in that. The ONLY thing that would be completely covered without requiring the deductible, is child birth. How's that for hilarious.
Re:Lesson 1 And after lesson 1 (Score:5, Insightful)
That's what they'll think anyway.
With trumps, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
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THIS.....IS.....SLASHDOT, you should have written one that actually works!
#/bin/python3
daddy_paying_will = input("Is Daddy paying me or has me in the will? Enter Yes or No.\n")
if daddy_paying_will == "Yes":
print("LIES\nALTERNATIVE FACTS\nFAKE NEWS\nSO SAD\n")
else:
print("I'm Fucked.")
Took me a few minutes to come up with that, and I know very little about programming. Hmm, since these hour of code things are mostly turtle graphics I wonder if I could
Re:Lesson 1 (Score:5, Insightful)
If understand correctly, you are both saying that since her "daddy" is rich, and you don't like her daddy, then anything she does is automatically invalid.
So she doesn't love her daughter, she doesn't really think coding is important, she doesn't really think girls should get into coding...because you don't like her daddy.
Seems to me this is pretty much the kind of thinking the Leftists accuse Republicans of all the time.
Ivanka is essentially lending support to the cause that Slashdot is constantly harping on. But because you don't like her "daddy", fuck her. Do I have that right?
You HAVE read the story on Slashdot about Trolling, right? So are you two just a couple of monkey flinging poo?
Several languages! (Score:5, Funny)
Wait until they find out that there are (gasp!) several languages. And that the corresponding tribes are at war with each other!
(Just yesterday I was nearly thrown over the bridge by a C# programmer)
Re:Several languages! (Score:5, Funny)
Let me guess, hetried to throw you, but you were caught?
It wouldn't have worked anyway. You can't be thrown over (nor under) the bridge because C# has bound checking.
Re:Several languages! (Score:5, Funny)
Let me guess, hetried to throw you, but you were caught?
I take exception to that.
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Let me guess, hetried to throw you, but you were caught?
I take exception to that.
At least it wasn't fatal
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The concern you are raising is null and void.
Re: Several languages! (Score:4, Funny)
Northern C# Great Lakes Region Council of 2017 or Northern C# Great Lakes Region Council of C# 4.0?
("Die, heretic!" [theguardian.com])
Awesome (Score:3)
Maturity is key. (Score:3)
""We're excited to learn this incredibly important new language together. Coding truly is the language of the future."
Training that will last a proverbial 15 minutes should stick like water on a duck in the mind of a 5-year old. I understand trying to excite people at a young age, but this is also the reason I laugh at "black belts" in the martial arts who still need Mommy's help making cereal in the morning. Maturity both mentally and physically is key when it comes to certain education and training.
And since Ivanka is so excited to learn this language, they'll be a test later to see if your enthusiasm was genuine, or if this was nothing more than a PR stunt at taxpayers expense.
Re:Maturity is key. (Score:5, Insightful)
Never underestimate 5-year olds.
Re:Maturity is key. (Score:4, Insightful)
> I laugh at "black belts" in the martial arts who still need Mommy's help making cereal in the morning
Everyone knows there's a difference between a child's black belt and an adult's. Much like with this computer camp, it's not expected to get the same results as you'd want for an adult.
It's about exposing them to the concept, making them comfortable and familiar with it to improve the odds they're interested in the real thing later on.
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Yeah, OK. You might want to take a breath an relax, because you're getting really upset about nothing.
Wow (Score:5, Insightful)
More self-publicity by the Whitehouse version of "Life with the Kardashians"
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by the Whitehouse version of "Life with the Kardashians"
That is being waaaay to kind to the people currently in the Whitehouse.
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More self-publicity by the Whitehouse version of "Life with the Kardashians"
Perhaps you missed "making school lunches into vehicles to throw vegetables into the trash", "gee, maybe kids should read", "gee, maybe we should have government-run medicine and cover up political accidents", or "the solution to drug addiction isn't engaging people who are victims of childhood abuse, but rather the word 'no'."
The less-damaging ones actually seem to be the ones without any kind of lofty goals.
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More self-publicity by the Whitehouse version of "Life with the Kardashians"
You know, there are a lot of legitimate reasons to criticize Trump & his family, but this is not one of them. This should be seen as a positive thing. A lot of people are talking about getting more women in STEM, and Ivanka is actually doing something to help promote it. We should be encouraging this type of thing. Would you have felt the same way if this had been Michelle Obama & one of her daughters? I know I would, and I didn't really like Obama either.
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Hang on Mr Coward, which one of Trump's baby-mommas are you talking about? And yes, what's going on right now in the Whitehouse is a horror show. It's an orange man-baby throwing tantrums and doing everything he can to fuck over the rubes he conned into voting for him, and what's worse is that some of the people around him are actually taking him seriously. I can't imagine anything more crooked - he's openly gloating about destroying the environment, destroying public education, taking bribes, blatant nepot
What do you get with a TV-celeb as prez? (Score:4, Informative)
A mix of Spin City, West Wing and Keeping up with the Kardashians.
Quite seriously, a publicity stunt is a publicity stunt, but this is not even pitiful.
Re:What do you get with a TV-celeb as prez? (Score:5, Insightful)
This is the GOOD kind of publicity stunt, it's promoting education. It's like promoting healthy diet or exercise... it's kind of the thing you want coming from your leaders (or their subordinates, lackeys, and hangers-on) unless your society has no such issues to address.
Re:What do you get with a TV-celeb as prez? (Score:4, Informative)
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Last time someone promoted a healthy diet and exercise in the White House a sizable portion of the population went mad with rage.
There's a difference between promoting a healthy diet and exercise and imposing a healthy diet and exercise. That's what "a sizable portion of the population went mad with rage" about.
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>There's a difference between promoting a healthy diet and exercise and imposing a healthy diet and exercise.
Well, based on the obesity and heart disease rates I don't think 'imposing' was either A) what happened or B) a bad idea.
But then again, I'm Canadian and here health care is nearly universal and tax-funded... so there's a financial incentive to promote good health in the general population.
Outside of that I'm fine with an adult making adult choices even if they're bad ones, but I see far too many
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Re:What do you get with a TV-celeb as prez? (Score:4, Informative)
Through M. Obama's healthy eating initiatives federal school lunch guidelines were modified making lunches almost inedible. Schools across the country were complaining that new guidelines actually led to hungrier kids, increased waste (as a lot of the meals were simply thrown out) all while having the added benefit of costing them a lot more.
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Unfortunately, it isn't. Everyone who knows at least a hint about programming cringes at the display of ignorance. Everyone who doesn't know jack about programming sees yet another celebrity dragging her kid into something they don't give a shit about.
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Huh. Weird, because I'm a developer and a father. And while my kids are older now, I sent them off to robotics camp when they were younger (Lego Mindstorms and a graphical programming interface).
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Shh. The narrative is that Trump and any of his progeny are irredeemably evil.
Don't confuse the narrative. The sheep won't know who to believe.
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Re:What do you get with a TV-celeb as prez? (Score:4, Informative)
Is there something wrong with exposing children to the concept of coding?
I know I was coding by the time I was 9, and that eventually turned into a decent career for me.
I don't expect the kid to be a developer after this 'camp', and obviously the mom's just going as support for her child... but I still don't see how this is a bad thing, or a bad example to set.
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I don't know if I want my kid to be part of a camp where she takes away the important lesson "that code is the language of the future".
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5 is a lot younger than 9. In fact developmentally it's a lot younger than the 45% chronologically younger it is.
Once a medical entomologist I was working with came to me with a flow chart he'd done in Visio. "I need a program that can do this," he said. "I've looked at different modeling applications but it won't be easy in any of them. I'm pretty sure I'll need custom software."
I glanced at his flow chart, scribbled a polynomial on a scrap of paper and handed it to him. "There. Plug that into Excel a
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You get all my mod points.
Which unfortunately today is zero.
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Fortunately I didn't notice that. Then again, I don't know the first thing about eating healthy, working out or working in the big blue room with that hot, yellow light on top and no air condition to boot, so I can't really comment on how sensible her efforts were.
I can comment on this one, though. And it is prime cringe material.
Maybe she'll solve the Travelling Salesman Problem (Score:4, Interesting)
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Surely you mean the "Traveling Golfer" problem?
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A presidential aide has to visit five separate dead drops...
Should be interesting (Score:3, Funny)
Sick of the hypocrisy (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Sick of the hypocrisy (Score:5, Interesting)
Why are so many of you bashing her for this? She's doing something with her daughter, and it has nothing to do with you, or this country.
This particular news was made public through US Secretary DeVos.
How can you possibly claim this does not have anything to do with "this country"?
Even ignoring that she is de-facto an advisor for the president with an office in the white house, security clearance and everything.
Even ignoring that she is acting as first lady in lue of the actual Mrs. Trump.
I want you to honestly ask yourselvesif this was Michelle Obama doing this, would you be bashing her for it?
Would republicans? Yes.
Would democrats? Yes, as it would be equally much a publicity stunt.
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Would democrats? Yes, as it would be equally much a publicity stunt.
I guess, by technicality, you are right. There would have to be at least 2 democratic voters who would bash her.
However, to make the assertion that the response would be even remotely similar to this one is beyond delusion. I'm fine with vocal commentators on this site having one bias or another; it is part of human subjectivity. But you don't all of a sudden get to pick and choose which biases you'll acknowledge when it best suits your own interests.
Or maybe you do. Why do I care enough about this to repl
Re:Sick of the hypocrisy (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm neither republican nor democratic, I'm not even from the US.
From my point of view, both republicans and democrats have about an equal share of sane people and an equal (and WAY too vocal) share of zealot idiots who scream at the other party every time they have a reason. And pretty much every time they don't have a reason.
Democrats would complain about as much about Michelle Obama as Republicans now and in the future will complain about whatever Ivanka does.
Republicans complained about as much about Michelle Obama as Democrats now and in the future will complain about whatever Ivanka does.
Don't for a second believe that either party is any better or worse than the other.
The only people who can't see this are the screaming zealot idiots.
Remember that the vast majority of people on both sides just want live in the US to be the best possible.
They just differ on what exactly they believe "best" to be.
Re:Sick of the hypocrisy (Score:5, Interesting)
You are so full shit shit. Hillary / Mrs. Obama pulled MUCH WORSE publicity stunts that tried to tackle controversial issues and got praised for it in the media. Then you have this "stunt" which is not controversial and should be praised by everyone, especially liberals who think women are are some sort of disadvantage in STEM, and she gets attacked for it. Do you understand the fucking irony? The very people who push for this type of shit day and night are attacking her.
It is almost as if Liberals WANT the pain and suffering of being incompetent so they can complain and get more votes and entitlements. Heaven forbid a woman role model tried to SOLVE SOMETHING by showing women they can learn something new and "uncomfortable" at the same time as teaching their kids. No we need Hillary, the corrupt fuck who wipes a server "what, like with a cloth". Yeah, that is the fucking role model we need. Hillary talks about solving problems but does nothing - and even worse - attack women when armies of lawyers.
So... Fuck you. People like you are the reason this nation sucks.
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if this was Michelle Obama doing this, would you be bashing her for it?
Yes. I like the Trumps but think all the "teach kids to code" stuff is retarded.
What language? (Score:3)
So, what programming language do you teach to 5 year old kids and super models? Scratch? Python?
A good use of the spotlight (Score:2)
Missing the point (Score:5, Interesting)
Put aside your cynicism for a moment. It's hard, I get that, but just for a moment....
OK, ready?
None of these coding initiatives are about teaching someone to code. It's about exposure. Think of football (or hockey, or ...) camp for 8 year olds. Very few of those kids are going on to a brilliant professional sporting career. So we should shut them down, treat any parent who enrolls their child in such a camp with derision, etc. Right? No? Why not?
Because sometimes the experience is more important then the result.
When I was 5, I got a chance to play with a Vic 20. My landlords' daughter showed me how to do the classic:
10 PRINT "Hello World"
20 GOTO 10
I remember feeling the world change. It was a different place then before I wrote and ran that program. I *GOT* it. I knew this beige box was going to change everything.
Years later, when I was about 8, the local Commodore club got a modem. I saw what it did and felt that feeling again. I pestered my mom to let me check it out from the hardware library for months before she agreed and I dialed into a local Radio Shack BBS. The sysop started a chat and we talked in chat. This was the future.
In the years since, I ran a Fidonet network hub, ran two freenets in two cities, was the sole technical employee for a regional ISP in northern Canada, and have endeavored to make the world a slightly better place. To build the future I glimpsed when I was 5.
You know what? Never became a programmer. I can barely program my way out of a wet paper bag to this day. I know the concepts and understand how to use those concepts in my professional life, but programming itself has never set my soul alight. Does that make the experience of the journey any less important? Does it mean that the 5 year old wasted his time?
I'd argue no. I have no idea how my life might have changed if not for that chance encounter when I was 5. Maybe I'd still have followed the same life path. But for some of those kids getting exposed with the learn to code movement, statistically speaking, it will change their lives.
For me, that's enough. My daughter went to Defcon (the hacker conference) when she was 3, so hopefully she got 2 years on me in feeling that wonder.
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Yeah. For me it was sitting down in front of the new Apple IIe when I was 7, and I looked at the blinking cursor, and I looked at my older brother, and said "what now?" And he said "You read the manual" and he handed me "Basic Apple BASIC."
10 PRINT "[BROTHER'S NAME] IS A NERD"
20 GOTO 10
Magic.
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Which is why I don't get the hate 'lets introduce kids to stuff' gets on Slashdot. When ever discussion comes up 'how did you get into programming' it's almost all of them had a combination of luck and opportunity at a young age.
I started programming HyperCard. It was a half GUI half code tool. My earliest work looks terrible and followed no coding standards but it introduced me to what was possible. These days I'd probably start with automating parts of Minecraft.
Who knows what I'd be doing with my life if
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Ya, my kid was taught scratch by an 8 yr old boy at Defcon when she was 3. Still plays around in scratch, it's great. She may never get involved in IT as a career (she's been pretty solid on vet for a few years), but she'll also never think of them as magic boxes, and there's a power in that too.
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That does it. (Score:5, Funny)
Stuff no five-year-old says (Score:2)
"We're excited to learn this incredibly important new language together. Coding truly is the language of the future."
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Parroting supermodel Karlie Kloss (the girlfriend of Ivanka's brother-in-law), the first daughter added, "We're excited to learn this incredibly important new language together. Coding truly is the language of the future."
Talk to Ellen DeVos (Score:3)
Seriously. For whatever reason Ivanka has some pull in Washington and can use it for good. Why not every 5 year old in the country trying coding?
This makes the issue worse (Score:2)
This is exactly how women in high positions screw things up for women everywhere.
STEM doesn't need more women learning STEM.
STEM needs more women actually succeeding in STEM.
The problem has never been that women have trouble with STEM.
The problem has always been that women don't stay in STEM.
Does anyone here think that Ivanka will suddenly become an engineer next year? She certainly could, but she won't.
And if she starts to learn, and effectively "quits", do you think her daughter will decide to continue o
coding with children (Score:2)
LOL (Score:2)
What? A Trump is interested in programming? I hate programming now.
How about the science museum? (Score:2)
Re:They really don't understand. (Score:5, Informative)
I get the underlying disgust, man.
I work in public education with adults (very well paid, upper tier district administrators) that say this kind of shit. I'm also fed up with the whole "hour of code" based lego blocking of tiles on a screen once a year and saying it means something (yes, it'd be a great on ramp if STEM began in K-2 and the student was using a touch screen interface... but we'd still have to discuss why STEM should start with programming vs. a solid foundation in traditional math, science and literacy).
And to have the whole summary neck deep in the first lady and some model that dates her brother-in-law...? Wha?!?
So, yeah. I get it. But the thing to remember is that a 5 year old is the one that made the comment about coding being a "language". 5 year old's get a pass, because they're wee ones, not idiots. They often turn into idiots, unfortunately -- but at 5, they're not.
Except Billy. That kid is as dumb as box of rocks.
Re: They really don't understand. (Score:5, Insightful)
A programming language is a language, it has its own syntax, grammar and vocabulary, though linguistic studies into such languages are rare (there are a couple of linguists studying the field though).
Yes I would agree basic foundation is very important, so why the fuck are we not teaching decision and discrete mathematics. It is the relevant mathematics field to study but is an optional in most curriculums pre university and so not taught by most schools.
Re: They really don't understand. (Score:5, Insightful)
Because "math" translates as "hard", "discrete mathematics" translates as "incomprehensible" (i.e. super-hard) and "coding" translates as "being smart" and "making money with magic and chat apps/games".
Don't you watch the internets?
You want your kids to grow up to be Steve Jobses and Mark Zuckerbergses (i.e. rich) - not some math teacher teaching idiots how to add or whatever it is they do with math.
Re:They really don't understand. (Score:5, Insightful)
The foundation has to come after the initial exposure. That's how I leaned, and if you try to start with the dry stuff the kids get bored and lose interest. They have to understand where that knowledge will take them, what they can do with it.
That's why we encourage kids to read. Not just for practice, but to make them interested in reading. Start with fun books before getting into grammar and the history of literature.
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but we'd still have to discuss why STEM should start with programming vs. a solid foundation in traditional math, science and literacy.
Because programming can act as a gateway drug.
The path to learning is what is imporant; the goal is what puts them on that path.
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It gets worse! I like the Trumps, but think the "coding is the language of the future" stuff is retarded. And there is zero chance a Trump is ever going to be a code monkey, anyway.
Re:First daughter is the mom (Score:4)
Sigh.
That's what I get for responding before I've finished my first cup of coffee and am really awake.
Apologies, meerling. Yours is the correct choice of words.
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I still think the greatest proof of brilliant people are still stupid goes to NASA. Who coincidentally also have the record for most expensive rock thrown the furthest distance. It's hard to top a $330 million, 745lb rock thrown at Mars [wikipedia.org].
Other cost/schedule screw-ups are pretty common. Just look at the F-35.
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It's hard to determine the final cost when the project in question requires developing and implementing technologies that have never made it off the white board or been proven viable outside of a laboratory.
Re:They really don't understand. (Score:5, Insightful)
Y'all are being semantic. Obviously this course will focus on one language for beginners. Therefore they are learning THAT language. As in one. Nowhere in those words does she express the belief that it's the ONE language in existence they will be learning...
Re:They really don't understand. (Score:5, Insightful)
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It absolutely takes more than one "coding" class for people to stop saying stupid shit. Plenty of well paid developers say stupid shit on a regular basis.
I'm actually gradually changing my opinion on things like this. People who think they're going to "learn to code" in an hour or a course, or people who think they're going to teach someone to code in a similar time are delusional. That's no more realistic than saying someone's going to "learn science" in an hour or a course. What they're going to do is
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Fair enough. I'd put this very similarly to somebody taking a course on how to paint a simple scene, or a weekend carpentry thing. Just enough to show you some basics, get a feeling for things, and probably appreciate a whole lot more those who are actual professionals at it. The adult will almost-certainly not take it up, but for a kid it may be a gateway for more later in their life.
Either way, I think that things like that are good gateways into appreciating others' work. They're not an instant "I
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"PHP truly is the language of the future."
So this is the nightmare dystopia timeline then?