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Oracle Dyn DNS Services Shutting Down in 2020 104

Posted by msmash from the end-of-road dept.
Oracle has sent the following email to customers of DYN service: Since Oracle acquired Dyn in 2016 (and subsequently acquired Zenedge), the engineering teams have been working diligently to integrate Dyn;s products and network into the Oracle Cloud Infrastructure. With the completion of this upgrade to Oracle Cloud Infrastructure. Oracle is announcing the end-of-life for the free Standard DNS service in favor of the enhanced, paid subscription version on the Oracle Cloud Infrastructure platform. On May 31, 2020, the 'EOL Date', the Standard DNS will be retired and will no longer be available. The following capabilities are not currently supported in Oracle Cloud Infrastructure DNS: Webhop (HTTP redirect), Dynamic DNS, Zone transfer to external nameservers, and DNSSEC.
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  • Really! (Score:4, Funny)

    by oldgraybeard ( 2939809 ) on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @02:24PM (#58822908)
    "Oracle is announcing the end-of-life for the free Standard DNS service in favor of the enhanced, paid subscription"

    Who knew?

    Just my 2 cents ;)

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      The "enhanced, paid subscription" that no longer supports "Webhop (HTTP redirect), Dynamic DNS, Zone transfer to external nameservers, and DNSSEC."

      Not sure they know what that word means.

    • So you're suggesting that Oracle bought an installed customer base and then a few years later EOL'd the product the customer base was using and is now forcing that base onto a different, costlier Oracle product? That's a pretty cynical view of the world you have there ;-)

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by account_deleted ( 4530225 )
      Comment removed based on user account deletion

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by mattyj ( 18900 )

      Larry needs a new rudder for his boat.

    • I used that service back a long time ago.

      I could find my home computer from any where.

      I use Teamviewer the days.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by ls671 ( 1122017 )

        Setting up your own self-hosted dyndns is pretty trivial if you possess only one static IP. You don't even need a real dyndns and a static IP if it is just you wanting to connect to your home computer, just have your home computer upload its IP to some public hosting web server every 15 minutes or so and lookup up your IP on this web page when you need to connect to your home computer.

        Call me paranoid, but with hacks getting worse and worse everyday even hitting large corporations, I wouldn't feel confiden

  • Home Router DNS (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Isarian ( 929683 ) on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @02:26PM (#58822936)

    A lot of home routers are about to have a very useless dynamic DNS integration.

    • Which is why I don't buy any router that cannot run OpenWRT or DD-WRT... Things change, even if the manufacturer isn't interested in keeping it up to date anymore.

      • Good luck with that (Score:5, Informative)

        by Voyager529 ( 1363959 ) <voyager529@yahoo. c o m> on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @04:39PM (#58823866)

        Which is why I don't buy any router that cannot run OpenWRT or DD-WRT...

        That's getting more and more difficult. Some routers will support it, but you lose access to simultaneous dual band or some such because most of the 802.11ac chipsets aren't being manufactured in ways that lend themselves to OSS development. Linksys had that AC1200 router for a while that was great, but there was never a Tomato release for it and Linksys discontinued it pretty quickly. The AC3200 is also DD-WRT supported, but at $300, it's not for the faint of wallet.

        Meanwhile, for pretty much the rest of the Linksys line, locked bootloaders have been becoming a standard. Asus is already pretty much there, and while I haven't tried to flash a Netgear router of late, they look like they're playing games with the revision numbers that they don't exactly advertise. Haven't touched a D-Link router in years, TP-Link was the first to do the whole locked bootloader crap, and the crappy routers doled out by Verizon, Comcast, Cox, Spectrum, and Altice don't even count as routers if DDNS updating is something cared about. Tenda has a handful that will support DD-WRT or Tomato, but your wi-fi signal will be hobbled because the generic drivers do the job, but don't do some of the advanced stuff that gives better performance. The FSF only lists their sole certified router as unavailable, which is unsurprising because it had 10/100 Ethernet and single band 802.11n. It's getting to the point where, if you want to run a router distribution worth a damn, you'll need an x86 computer and multiple NICs.

        As for me, I've been pretty happy with the Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite, along with a bank of Raspberry Pi units doing assorted little things, including DDNS updating. It's annoying that these things need to be offloaded from my router (Tomato does reverse proxying natively!), but now I can use basically any router with port forwards if I really wanted.

        As to the original topic at hand of how to update one's DDNS, that functionality is pretty ubiquitous. Most DVRs and NAS units have many options, including Dyn, No-IP, Afraid.org, and Namecheap. Most of those services also have desktop clients, and even if none of those are options, there are plenty of tutorials for every major DDNS service to be updated by a RasPi Zero.

        • Re: (Score:1)

          by Anonymous Coward

          You are mistaken. The FSF lists ThinkPenguin's TPE-R1100 and there is the TPE-R1200 that has not been announced, but has been certified which will be shipping shortly. Mostly everything else though you are right about.

          https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/free-software-wireless-n-mini-vpn-router-tpe-r1100

        • Re: (Score:1)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Just build your own router with http://opnsense.org and a http://pcengines.ch board.

        • I recently installed OpenWRT on a TP-Link C7 R5 router with no problem, so I am pretty sure it doesn't have a "locked" bootloader. It works very nicely too. Both WiFi bands work.

          I think I read somewhere that the US fimware is more locked down than international firmware. Maybe there are US compliance requirements, or perhaps, if you are dealing with routers provided by ISP's, it is they who are locking the firmware. Increasingly, ISPs seem to think that their control includes the router.

          • https://yro.slashdot.org/story... [slashdot.org]

            Things have gotten a bit more muddy since then. It's certainly not every one of their routers, but I have had situations where TP-Link routers definitely didn't allow me to flash them.

            Increasingly, ISPs seem to think that their control includes the router.
            Well, to be fair to the ISPs, most of their customers will call when 'the wi-fi is down'. The issue may well be that their router was unplugged because the person didn't like all the blinking lights while they were sleeping

            • Re: (Score:2)

              by sjames ( 1099 )

              On the other hand, people who unplug the router because they don't like all the flashing lights and then call the ISP complaining that the WiFi is down are not people who flash open firmware on consumer grade devices. No need to lock the bootloader.

        • I've gone further from that. PFSense combined with stand alone access points. I put up one per floor and get much better coverage, better flexibility, and I don't have to worry about trying to find a device that supports pfsense.

    • Comment removed based on user account deletion

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by mtmra70 ( 964928 )

      When Oracle acquired DynDNS they charged a hefty fee. Recently they raised that fee even more and made it pointless for home users. Duckdns.org is the service to use if you want something for DDWRT/OpenWRT and for it to be free.

    • Re:Home Router DNS (Score:4, Informative)

      by alexo ( 9335 ) on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @03:50PM (#58823602) Journal

      I have flushed Tomato firmware on my router and use dns-o-matic [dnsomatic.com] as my DDNS service.
      I configured dns-o-matic with the following free(*) DDNS services:
              afraid.org
              ChangeIP
              deSEC
              DNSexit
              DuckDNS
              dyndns.berlin
              dynu
              Night Owl DDNS
              No-IP
              nsupdate.info

      (*) No-IP nags once a month, the others just work.

      Currently, I have a CNAME record that maps example.mydomain.tld to mydomain.duckdns.org.
      Should DuckDNS go down, I will change the record to point to one of the others (I already had to do it twice when my previous DDNS providers of choice stopped working). If OpenDNS stops providing the dns-o-matic service, I will reconfigure the router to use one (or more) of the services above directly.

      Easy peasy.

      • I had a similar config but for some reason DNS-o-matic stopped working with Cloudflare a few months ago and I was never able to get it working again.

      • Question: why? If you have to update your cname anyway why not just point it to your IP? Does it actually change that often? I was under the impression that in 2019 anyone basically not behind a CGNAT had a somewhat stable IP.

        • I only have to update the CNAME if I change DDNS providers, which happened twice in over 15 years. I did change ISPs several times, and had IPs change on me. The current setup may be overengineered for redundancy, but it just works now and when I set it up I was playing around with DDNS providers anyway, so adding the info into dns-o-matic was trivial.

          Besides, the real reason for my post was to provide the list of DDNS servers as alternatives to Dyn.

    • A lot of home routers are about to have a very useless dynamic DNS integration.

      Dyn DNS was dead since the day Oracle purchased them. I've been a paying customer for many years, but the price Oracle charged was ridiculous. They clearly wanted to chase customers away, and then close the business as not profitable. I think this could qualify as a hostile takeover, if only I could find a reason why they might want to put Dyn out of business.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      A lot of home routers are about to have a very useless dynamic DNS integration.

      That happened ages ago actually when they basically stopped having a free tier, and their cheapest was something I couldn't justify paying for - too much money for too little service - I really only used them for dyndns and that was it. I used a friend's account for a while because they were already a paid user.

      So really I guess they're abandoning paid dyndns services now too, but then again, I'm guessing anyone who used that mov

  • Never trust Oracle!!!! NEVER!
    What are people using these days in place of Dyn?

  • Of course there are other better products out there.

  • What does Oracle stand for? (Score:5, Funny)

    by LilBlackKittie ( 179799 ) on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @02:49PM (#58823128) Homepage

    One
    Real
    Ass-hole
    Called
    Larry
    Ellison

  • I got a different email (Score:5, Informative)

    by PCM2 ( 4486 ) on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @03:22PM (#58823374) Homepage

    The email I received this morning is different. It says this:

    Dear Customer,

    Since Oracle acquired Dyn in 2016 and subsequently acquired Zenedge. The engineering teams have been working diligently to integrate Dyn’s products and network into the Oracle Cloud Infrastructure platform. A majority of Dyn products have now been integrated and upgraded on the Oracle Cloud Infrastructure.

    Accordingly, DynDNS Pro/Remote Access is decoupling from the Dyn brand and business unit this summer, and will remain a business unit within Oracle.

    Your organization has the right to access and use DynDNS Pro/Remote Access. This product will continue to be available from Oracle without any disruption of service and no action is required on your part at this time.

    Additional Resources
    Blog Post

    We look forward to supporting you on our new platform.

    (Emphasis mine.)

    Basically I got grandfathered into the "Pro" tier, with a lifetime subscription. I bet a bunch of Slashdotters were. I logged into the Oracle Dyn site just now and it still says I have a DynDNS Pro subscription, expiration date: never. (It actually says that.)

    So kudos to the original DynDNS crew for staying true to their word about "lifetime accounts."

    P.S. I wanted to post a longer explanation but Slashdot's filters inexplicably won't let me, so you'll just have to guess some of the details -- or maybe someone else will chime in.

    • Same here

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by meehawl ( 73285 )
      I also bought a lifetime DynDNS Pro account in 2000. I received both the "We're cancelling your DynDNS Standard" *and* "We're continuing your DynDNS Pro" emails.

      • Indeed, I also got both these email, which make the overall message rather confusing. They also sent a third email (prior to all this) about domain name registration as I also did use dyn (prior to Oracle's involvement) to purchase a domain name and needless to say Oracle now inherited that, so that email only informed domain registration would be usable on their platform instead.

    • Paying customer here. Got the same letter. I figured that if I really need the service, it's worth paying for. Free services (looking at you Google) are always suspect, since your info is likely to be the product, and they have no particular commitment to keep their services alive.

      Still, Dyn's $36 is pretty steep for a low-volume DDNS customer. I see that no-ip provides a similar tier for $25.

      The hard-to-quantify advantage of Dyn has been their (claimed) reliability and depth of technology - redundancy,

  • My email said the following: Dear Customer, Since Oracle acquired Dyn in 2016 and subsequently acquired Zenedge. The engineering teams have been working diligently to integrate Dynâ(TM)s products and network into the Oracle Cloud Infrastructure platform. A majority of Dyn products have now been integrated and upgraded on the Oracle Cloud Infrastructure. Accordingly, DynDNS Pro/Remote Access is decoupling from the Dyn brand and business unit this summer, and will remain a business unit within Oracle.

    • Re:Is this only free accounts? (Score:4, Informative)

      by PCM2 ( 4486 ) on Tuesday June 25, 2019 @03:37PM (#58823514) Homepage

      I got the same email (see above in the thread). Basically, in the early days of the free service, if you donated some amount of money, you were guaranteed "lifetime access" to the service, no matter what happened. When they rolled out a paid model, they grandfathered in all those old donors. Everyone was still a lifetime member. Looks like that's carrying over to Oracle, too, because I've never paid Oracle a dime, yet my account says my expiration date is "never."

      • My letter only indicates continued access to domain registration; I think I stopped using the DDNS function through them a few years ago.

      • The Oracle Dyn FAQ (https://www.oracle.com/corporate/acquisitions/dyn/technologies/ecommerce-customer-faq.html) states:

        I was an early free Dyn user and donator and had historically received no-cost services for life. Why do I have to pay?

        We truly appreciate your support throughout the years. While we are discontinuing the availability of services received at no-cost, you may be surprised by how affordable the DNS service is within OCI along with outstanding capabilities with this service. If you are inter

  • I've got a static IP, but run zero services from it.

  • I moved all my stuff to EntryDNS the second Oracle entered the picture.

    I can't honestly remember a single Oracle product that I continue to (voluntarily) use after they take over.

  • Oracle is like the War of the Worlds Martians (movie version): when Oracle acquires something, soon nothing else is ever heard again coming from that something.

    They go in and acquire and silence and kill it.

    A company I used to work for was world-leaders in a particular line of business. We made software used by everybody at the top of a couple different industries. And then Oracle bought the company for the patents and recurring revenue. Mostly the patents. They didn't do jack for our existing customer

  • Dynamic DNS not supported in Oracle Cloud?

    What the heck did they buy Dyn for, then?

    I guess my free, lifetime Dynamic DNS Pro Founders' account isn't "lifetime" anymore.

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