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Will 'Vision AI' Be The Next Frontier for Developers? (venturebeat.com) 44

A partner at an early-stage investment firm argues that "in the 2000s everyone was learning HTML and making a website. In the 2010s everyone was learning to develop mobile apps. In the 2020s all the developers are going to build Vision AI." Where the web had its impact was by digitizing manual paper-based processes... I believe the next big wave is Vision AI, and for the same reason: It offers the opportunity to digitize the next massive trove of information in the world, that which is not on paper but which can be seen through a camera... Why use a temperature sensor when a camera can see reflected light frequencies and determine the temperature? The latest cellphones are integrating LIDAR sensors into their cameras, and I believe the camera sensing suite will become even more sophisticated. Combine this with emerging computer vision technology powered by AI, and together you have Vision AI.

Vision AI has the power to unlock the future of automation in a way not seen since the Web Revolution where every form and phone call was turned into a site, and we unlocked all the resulting searches, analytics, and automated processing that is now commonplace. Just like there are web boot camps, there will soon be computer vision boot camps to enlarge the circle of access to this new technology. Anything you want to count, record, analyze, or store can be obtained by teaching Vision AI to look for it. And that's just capturing the data, the way web forms did. After that unfolds everything we can do with that data. Provide reports, comparisons, and analysis. Make predictions. Profile and advertise. Learn and educate...

The real changes come when computers start measuring and counting things that are either too vast for humans to count — every dead oak tree in California — or too expensive for humans to count — every yeast cell in a culture — or too difficult for humans to perceive — the change in gait that suggests a medical condition.

During this decade we will see boot camps teaching hundreds of thousands of developers to utilize Vision AI tools, just the way we taught millions to code the web. After that, we will see our world for the next level of data that it presents and be able to act on that.

A disclaimer at the end of the article acknowledges that "I currently have a vested interest in eight Vision AI companies."
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  • Temperature sensing using a regular camera? That would be cool if true, how accurate is that? Good enough to detect fever reliably?

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      A partner at an early-stage investment firm... in other words, someone without a clue but good with buzzwords.
    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      Why use a temperature sensor when a camera can see reflected light frequencies and determine the temperature?"

      That's where the summary lost any credibility it might have had.

      • by bjwest ( 14070 )
        Why is that? Temperature can be determined by the IR frequency, and even the cheap little cameras for Raspberry Pi can see infra red.
        • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

          Well, the biggie right at the beginning: if you want to measure the temperature of something using a camera, you need to measure *emitted* light, not reflected. There are some very peculiar circumstances in which certain substances change their reflectivity in a meaningful way depending on their temperature, but it's not a common thing.

          Secondly, infra-red doesn't mean heat. IR is just a part of the electromagnetic spectrum, like "red" "green" or "radio". IR is conflated with heat because things that are at

    • If the phone has a thermal sensor, it can certainly do that. I believe someone has been banging on about a CAT-branded phone which has one.

      Of course, that will be largely worthless for detecting Covid, but I presume you have other applications in mind as well.

  • by mccalli ( 323026 ) on Monday November 23, 2020 @04:21AM (#60756212) Homepage
    None of that solves a problem for 90% of the world. The last 10% is cool and fun, but it won't get accounting system A to post its monthly reports to accounting system B, with a spot of enrichment in the middle.

    No, developers won't be learning Vision AI as a matter of course.
    • The market assures that development follows money, not need. The poor spend most of their little money on needs, but the rich spend most of their money on whims. The market has been tilting towards luxury goods since Reagan. Vision AI will follow the same well-funded path, even as its promoters speak of fantastic breakthroughs for all of humanity.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Computer vision can potentially replace all the jobs that need human visions. There is a story above this one about how it can spot various serious diseases on an x-ray. Driving down the cost of diagnostics like that will improve healthcare.

      A lot of jobs are vulnerable to this. A lot of QC inspection is already done with machine vision as it's relatively easy, just look for major differences between each unit and a known good example. In some manufacturing it is used to sort and orientate objects, the main

      • by cusco ( 717999 )

        You should check out the advances in recycling technology. It's a horrible and dangerous job for a human that doesn't pay shit, so perfect for robots.

  • Slashdoomed.

  • by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 ) on Monday November 23, 2020 @04:50AM (#60756270)
    I pay a penny to ocr a pdf. Do I want to bust my ass to try to do better than Google/MS/IBM to save half a penny? Nope.
  • by Viol8 ( 599362 )

    This is nothing more than data gathering and once the code to do it is written and presented as an API its no different to any other form of input and will have limited scope anyway such as trawling images for particular correllations perhaps for medical or security reasons. But most devs probably won't go anywhere near that sort of thing.

    "just the way we taught millions to code the web"

    Code the web? You mean toss out a dogs dinner of HTML, javascript, CSS and whatever else is web flavour of the month this

    • Code the web? You mean toss out a dogs dinner of HTML, javascript, CSS and whatever else is web flavour of the month this week just to present a GUI in a window?

      Well, to an awful lot of people, a dog's dinner of HTML, JS and CSS is an awful lot better than not having anything at all due to say a 10x increase in cost not being affordable.

      • by Viol8 ( 599362 )

        False economy. Getting a bunch of monkeys to create crap just to get something out the door is never a good long term solution.

        • False economy. Getting a bunch of monkeys to create crap just to get something out the door is never a good long term solution.

          Is it though? A lot of people don't have very exacting needs. And that money could well get a better ROI spent elsewhere.

    • This is nothing more than data gathering and once the code to do it is written and presented as an API its no different to any other form of input and will have limited scope anyway such as trawling images for particular correllations perhaps for medical or security reasons. ....

      Well, yes, sort of.

      In practice curating good representative training datasets and properly labeling them is an enormous challenge and an enormous amount of work. Also, if you can figure out good outside-the-box ways to do exactly that you can write your own ticket.

  • by delirious.net ( 595841 ) on Monday November 23, 2020 @06:06AM (#60756356)
    Suddenly it is called Vision AI, as some sort of new buzz word.

    This has been around for many years in many different industries, automobile may be a good example.
    We call it process automation, years ago this was as simple as having a camera match a product on a conveyor belt.
    The challenge imho is in making sense of the data, not the type of sensor used

    A very very hard problem, understanding the world, when you see it.
  • Nobody has quoted Betteridge's not-a-law of headlines yet.

    Is this how AI startups successfully stand out from the rest? Stick the word Vision in front of the acronym AI? As if it's somehow magically better? Maybe even visionary? I'm pretty sure the answer is no.

    The 2020's AI startups appear to be seeking a new marketing term.

  • Web pages allowed people who could write to get their writings on the Internet. I think most of those that wanted a website back then just uses Facebook today, or other means of getting their info out, or even CMS.
    I remember back in the days, when I developed a CMS for advertising agencies / customers to keep their own webpages updated, that was fun times. When I moved on a former employee took the idea and made it into a CMS that is still out there, but I was likely the first to implement it around here.

    Ap

    • by Entrope ( 68843 )

      This. Building a useful AI model -- whether it's an ANN, k-NN, SVM, or whatever else -- is hard. It requires domain expertise and the ability to do research to find good models. Beyond the hardware resources you mention, good AI needs a good algorithm and a good training set. In the case of deep learning, the "algorithm" includes choosing all the metaparameters about depth, layer sizes, and activation functions and the training set includes both labeled truth and a way to generate relevant false or erron

      • by dvice ( 6309704 )

        Building first AI that beats best human in GO is hard. I think we should just leave this to Deepmind.

        Using framework (released by the first group) to create AI that can sort cucumbers is not that hard [1]. I think this will be the future of average developers. E.g. "create AI that counts how many cars drive", "create AI that sorts lego bricks".

        You can also train AI using human input, like Google does with those traffic light pictures. This is a pretty good short term job for non-educated cheap labour, but i

  • surveillance is going to become a major function of the Federal and State governments now.
    The only thing that makes me wonder is.
    Has Big Tech in conjunction with their Chinese partners already done most of the job. And they are getting ready to do the install now.
  • by Pimpy ( 143938 ) on Monday November 23, 2020 @07:00AM (#60756466)

    Many companies are using AI/ML to improve their offerings, but this really requires both the data and the operational insights into the specific problem it's trying to solve. Computer vision has many applications, we use this in automotive for everything from driver drowsiness detection & alerting to collision avoidance to risk scoring, for example, but it's still only one small part. The examples provided in the post are things that could be done, but the missing part is a real business case for doing this in the first place. CS has never faced a lack of things that could be done with technology, computer vision is not unique in this regard. It's certainly worth having CS students learn the basics of data science and AI/ML tools and methodologies, as it's unlikely to go away in the future, but it would be a mistake to focus only on this. AI startups further face the challenge that they're quite removed from the datasets held by the companies that will ultimately be applying the technology, so they're still going to face a hurdle in going from a proof of concept to actual application. While I can appreciate that someone interested in early-stage investment wants to get in early, I suspect they're chasing the wrong side of the hype cycle for now, just as they did with blockchain.

  • Weird AI (not AL) would be a great name.
  • "in the 2000s everyone was learning HTML and making a website. "

    Unfortunately most of them used Flash instead.

  • I took a vision AI/Machine Learning in 2007. My project for class was creating program that allowed you to use hand gestures to control a television. Couple years later took similar class online. It was one of the first tranche of classes offered through coursera. It's been around.

    Two challenges need to be addressed before it can take off.

    1. API -- no such thing as a generic AI/ML computer vision program. Also, not sure if even many low level libs exist. Lots of work here before the average programmer can g

  • by etash ( 1907284 ) on Monday November 23, 2020 @09:50AM (#60756950)
    was paid for by venturebeat. thanks for reading now STFU and buy our products and services.
  • I have several developer friends who use vision and speech APIs. It makes for a great demo. Unfortunately they really do not understand how to use the technology in real world product. They most often cannot do simple things like preprocessing the image to scale, use basic filters, add or remove parts of the image. Developer models often are trained with a tremendous amount of bias that a real data scientist would catch. Most of the APIs out there are fantastic toys but not really ready for prime time
    • by cusco ( 717999 )

      We see this sort of thing a lot in the tech world, 'Wally Wonderful Startup' has a great demo that brings in investor bucks, but fails utterly when applied to the real world. If Wally's lucky one of the big tech companies pays too much for his startup and he can retire to Borabora and sip umbrella drinks all day. In the end the technology gets blamed for being insufficient when more than anything it's an issue with the programming staff not understanding the industry they're supposed to be aiding.

      IMNSHO p

  • Vision AI has made great strides. Vision AI is way overhyped.

  • Being the pessimistic type, I'm concerned about the negatives. Completely automated surveillance being the main thing. Just wait until LE gets their hands on this, especially given the biases we are training into AI. Pre-crime will be a realistic possibility.

  • by bb_matt ( 5705262 ) on Monday November 23, 2020 @01:13PM (#60757896)

    In a world already saturated with too much information for anyone to be able to cope with, I honestly believe there's going to be a backlash movement against tech at some point.

    The volume of data gathering and analysis has entrenched itself into every single part of our lives.
    We are monitored, compared, pushed into code and shunted onto graphs - and the outcome is not pretty.

    Our privacy has been invaded to such a massive extent, it feels we have lost it almost entirely.
    What we have gained seems amazing - the fact that I can type this message and that 100 people can read it, who I don't even know, is astounding.
    But it is also alarming - because software is also reading it.
    My online profile is being built up with every interaction I make online - Google sometimes knows more about me that I do myself.

    I'm not so sure the tradeoff is worth it.

    I do wonder at what point people just scream "enough" - this has gone too far.

    Well, I think nature will decide for us anyway, in the next few decades, so it's a moot point...

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