Ukranian Programmers Continue Working While Being Bombed

CNBC reminds us that Ukraine is also home "to a massive community of software developers who work remotely for companies all over the U.S. and Europe.

"There were 200,000 Ukrainian developers in the country in 2020, according to Amsterdam-based software development outsourcing company Daxx, which says that 20% of Fortune 500 companies have their remote development teams in Ukraine." As major cities across Ukraine endure devastating attacks that have seen buildings reduced to rubble, company leaders in the U.S. and Europe have expressed awe at their Ukraine-based staff. Those developers, along with other Ukrainian civilians in the country, are now being forced to defend their homes and cities while sheltering from Russian bombs. But many are still continuing to remotely work for their employers, supporting the local defense effort by day while sending in their deliverables by night.

"Yes our teams are sending deliverables from a f — ing parking garage in Kharkiv under heavy shelling and gunfire in the area. Amazing humans," Logan Bender, chief financial officer at a San Francisco-based software licensing company, said in a story posted to Instagram on Tuesday by venture capital meme account PrayingforExits. "We of course told them all deliverables are off the table. Nothing of you expected other than to let us know how we can help other than wiring money and getting their visa process going," he said. Bender has been working to get a defense service to extract his employees from the conflict zone under armed guards....

"Our lead front-end developer fled to Lviv to his parents' rural house 40km outside the city and is still submitting pull requests," Eric Hovagim, CEO and founder of Los Angeles-based betting platform Pogbet, told CNBC. "He's returning to Lviv tomorrow morning to continue his work while helping with the fight."

"These Ukrainians are built different," Hovagim said. "No armed guard extraction necessary. These people are their own armed guards...."

Ukrainians in IT-related fields are also deploying their skills for the fight at home. Employees at a local digital marketing agency in Kyiv are helping carry out cyberattacks against Russian entities in collaboration with Ukraine's Ministry of Digital Transformation. A local Telegram channel dedicated to crowd-sourcing programmers to carry out cyberattacks against Russia has nearly a million subscribers...

Alexandru Asimionese, co-founder of Moldova-based software developer Labs42, described one of his freelance designers based in the northwestern Ukrainian city of Lutsk. "In the morning goes to buy high-protein snacks to deliver to the local army. Late night, sends logo ideas. Always paid in crypto (via) Binance," he said. Another start-up manager said that his Ukrainian girlfriend was returning to Ukraine from overseas to fight, and plans to continue working for her tech company while not fighting invaders.

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[kmoser]

Wow, this is humbling. If you're a Slashdotter whose biggest complaint is about clueless clients, incompetent managers, lousy languages, and badly written code, check your privilege.

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[RobinH]

It's putting a lot of things in perspective for people all over the political spectrum. Convoy protesters in Ottawa and Washington "fighting their oppressive government" and comparing the government to nazis. Campuses providing "safe spaces" so students don't have to hear something that might make them upset. Right wingers who love Putin because he helped Trump get elected, and because Putin's trying to create a white ethno-state. There's even a few extremists on the far left who deny the notion of biol

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Honestly...

[fahrbot-bot]

Ukranian Programmers Continue Working While Being Bombed

I think most scrums would go better (and in my experience at my former company, faster) if they were conducted as though all the participants could get bombed at any moment.

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[Darinbob]

"30 seconds only, go, go go!"

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[phantomfive]

I remember a company where the manager had all our standup meetings sitting down, because they lasted 45 or 60 minutes so no one wanted to stand.

I begged him to at least rename them as "sit-downs", so we could be logically consistent with our naming if nothing else.

Great, this will be the equivalent of

[PJ6]

"there are starving people in China" for developers who complain about their working conditions. "You want to work in a heated building? Look at the Ukrainians!"

In all seriousness though, I have nothing but good things to say about them. The only positive offshore experience I ever had was with developers from the Ukraine, so I'm not really surprised.

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[Rhys]

I worked at a place where we had a Romanian team. Good folks, the lot of them.

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What else can you do?

[SciCom Luke]

No military experience?
Perhaps not the most athletic of figures?
Best thing you can do for the country then is to keep the money coming in.

Stop letting them work.

[S_Stout]

A respectable company would continue to pay them while cutting their git access. Otherwise it's one of those situations where "you don't have to work but, you know, it's still encouraged, and we will remember the decision you make".

Don't give them the choice. Let them focus on being safe in a warzone and not fucking pull requests.

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[countach]

Well, maybe... Or maybe they like the distraction of having something to do.

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[danskal]

Work might be the only thing keeping them sane.

Sorry, I can't attend the standup today

[devslash0]

- ...My broadband line got bombed.
- (Manager) Alright, just make sure be on time tomorrow.

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[AndyKron]

"Hi boss, I got bombed last last" Boss: "You have a drinking problem Yakov"

Old habits die hard

[AndyKron]

Good communist workers. They were trained well by their ex-Soviet leaders.

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What? No vodka jokes?

[RogueWarrior65]

Come on, slashdotters, you can certainly do better.

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[sinij]

So this didn't happen? https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

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[sinij]

I don't think you can spin this no matter how hard you try, people have eyes and they can watch the videos of rockets attacks on population centers and make their own conclusions. Ukraine isn't Syria, people will care when the Red Army does shit like this.

The point of the trolls isn't spin

[rsilvergun]

It's to take the sort of person who watches Tucker Carlson and sees Carlson praise Putin and rant that attacks our president and give those kind of people a reason, any reason really, to direct their anger at our president instead of that Vladimir Putin.

It doesn't matter how ridiculous or false the reason is, these people didn't arrive to their conclusions through facts or reasoning just through emotions and 40 years worth of propaganda from right-wing extremists.

The problem here is we've let the righ

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[countach]

Tucker never praised Putin. That simply didn't happen. By making up garbage for some ridiculous partisan reason, you kill your own credibility.

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[Camel Pilot]

Trump praised Putin as being smart and savvy. He exclaimed upon hearing of the invasion "Oh that is wonderful" and claims to be Putin friend. Give it a break.

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[countach]

Trump is not Tucker. Just because their names both start with "T" doesn't actually make them the same person.

As for Trump, he was just saying it was a clever strategy from Putin to declare east Ukraine independant. I thought it might have been clever if Putin was aiming to slice off a bit of Ukraine, but it's not clever at all now that's trying to take it all. It's ok to correctly observe when your enemies have been clever. To pretend your enemies are always dumb, sets yourself up for failuer... kind of lik

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[Darinbob]

Tucker didn't actually "praise" Putin, but he was definitely swinging things along the lines of "it's no big deal what happens over there because Biden is the real enemy of America". But Carlson says things that are demonstrably false for the purposes of entertainment, and Fox agreed with that in court (the Carlson defense means that the viewers don't take him seriously). I think for some on Fox they do act as if they're annoyed that there's this big distraction happening overseas that gets in the way of

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[countach]

Tucker never said anything like "it's no big deal what happens over there". He might have downplayed its direct importance to America, in needing to send troops, but that's not hte same thing. And all media outlets, when taken to court will have their lawyers say that its exagerated for entertainment. The New York Times said in court that their news stories are mere opinion. Facebook said their fact checkers are merely expressing opinion. I highly doubt Tucker's lawyers said that he "lies for entertainmen

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[Darinbob]

Carlson does lie, even on air, and he has admitted it https://news.yahoo.com/tucker-... [yahoo.com].

And a list: https://www.politifact.com/fac... [politifact.com]

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[aquacrayfish]

Right - he's never called me a racist, fired me, or anything else so we have no cause to hate him. It's just sound logic.

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[phantomfive]

I can't watch much Tucker Carlsyn without vomiting, but it has been quite entertaining to watch him make logical gyrations trying to spin and escape from a position that was clearly, unambiguously wrong.

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[Darinbob]

He is hard to watch. Something about his face. Rush was interesting to watch and could be funny, even Ingraham is bearable. But Tucker just has that face with faux-concern that just ruins it. But then people pay money to go to a rally to hear Trump blather on about random topics, and I can't imagine going to hear ANY politician for any reason (except maybe to plead guilty).

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[phantomfive]

Because Rush actually was sincere, foolish though he was at times.
Tucker...who even knows what he believes?

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[DamnOregonian]

Tucker makes you feel like literally fucking anything he says, you need to question, because he's probably making money off of the position somehow.
He's just one of the slimiest fucking humans alive.

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[countach]

I'll bet you can't provide an actual comment from Tucker with a reasoned argument why he was wrong. It's always a fake mangled version of what he said with a ridiculously hyperbolic refutation.

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[phantomfive]

This whole this is pretty ridiculously wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

Tucker didn't see it coming. He should leave the "we" part off.

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[DamnOregonian]

Oh, come the fuck on.
"And I’m serious. Why do I care? Why shouldn’t I root for Russia, which I am?"

What I want to know, is why that's a fucking surprise to you? Tucker has been shoveling Russian propaganda regarding the US into the ears of his sheep for years.
The fucker is so Pro-Russia that I have to wonder if he isn't somehow being paid for it.

Please, ask me for a list of quotes.

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[Camel Pilot]

"Why shouldn't I root for Russian? Because I am!” --- Tucker Carlson.

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[e3m4n]

Just dont watch the ones on tiktok. China has been caught using cgi video game engines amd polishing them to spread fake propaganda for Russia. When this is all done the world seriously needs to sanction the fuck out of china next.

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[sinij]

Here is example of Ukrainian refugees getting shelled as they are fleeing: Ukrainians flee Russian bombs as civilians are killed in small Kyiv suburb [nypost.com]. Meanwhile Putin is hiding his mistress Alina Kabaeva in Switzerland [pagesix.com].

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[sinij]

So if oligarchs fleeing to United Arab Emirates and Putin is hiding his family in Switzeland, what does it tell you about the state of this conflict? Also, why do you think the Red Army was shown to be so incompetent and keep suffering heavy losses?

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[sinij]

Can you explain to me what the difference between Putin and Brezhnev? The number of medals? Eyebrows? Sure Communism is dead, but Putin replaced that with the Orthodox Church. So enjoy your decades of Zastoi. [wikipedia.org]

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[sinij]

Do you think Ukrainian people want to be part of Putin's "superpower"?

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[quonset]

Donetsk and Lugansk regions -- which speak Russian exclusively

Bull. Fucking. Shit. You Russian trolls just can't not lie, can you? The people in the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts speak both Ukrainian and Russian.

which chose to oppress Russian language

More bullshit. No one is "oppressing" anything. People are free to speak as they wish. However, just like in Russia, there is one formal language which everyone has to know. By your logic, Russia is oppressing everyone else's language.

And speaking of oppress

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[K. S. Kyosuke]

Putin has no intention to make Ukraine a part of Russia

Are you sure about that? [archive.org]

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[Darinbob]

Are you dense? Videos are everywhere of shelling happening in Ukraine against civilian targets. The only one denying it is Putin, and no one here is stupid enough to believe the lies of Putin. Putin will only claim Ukraine is bombing it own buildings for propaganda purposes, which is ridiculous. Anyone saying otherwise is mostly likely inside of Russia and blocked from news or part of Putin's troll army.

Where is your proof that this building was full of soldiers? Any? What evidence to you have that ma

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[sinij]

He might be Russian living in Russia and was being brainwashed by the state media.

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[aRTeeNLCH]

The parent is dense. Some more links: https://www.reuters.com/articl... [reuters.com] And for a non Western link: https://english.alarabiya.net/... [alarabiya.net]

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[Darinbob]

There is some of this attitude in many countries, including the US. That attitude is that one cannot criticize their country or their soldiers and so forth. So witness pushback during Vietnam war when there were suggestions of war crimes, and pushback against anyone who wanted to withdraw from that conflict, anger against all anti-war protests. There is a type of sainthood annointed on soldiers at times, they can do no wrong as long as they defend the home country (Goldwater's quote of "extremism in defen

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[aRTeeNLCH]

Indeed, people quickly identify with their own country's forces. And few people take criticism easily. Aside that, some discussions are not on the level. Either just trying to rile up or get any response, or some other hidden motivation. I'm not sure what the case is here...

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[sinij]

Ukraine civilian casualty update [ohchr.org]. These are just confirmed numbers from UN, the actual civil casualties are much higher.

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[sinij]

I don't know why refuse to do a simple search. You have your VPN, use it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J209cLUSRWk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk_aTDXK2wE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTY4s8sMMPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0xWJaFzKQw

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[sinij]

Watch the last video - it has interviews with people in a hospital.

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[sinij]

Obviously, you are not presenting good-faith arguments and require unreasonable level of proof. You also dismiss the overwhelming body of evidence, as we are not talking about single occurrence. What do you think is more likely, that Ukrainians are masterminds of subterfuge and unusually competent and prolific propagandists or that Russian army is malicious and/or incompetent and are shelling civilians?

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[phantomfive]

When you claim that the level of evidence of Russia's uncivility in warfare is overwhelming,

The clear problem here is your inability to use a search engine. Your comments are remarkably confident, considering you can't even use a search engine. What is wrong with you? Oh wait, I know, you can't use a search engine.

There are some tutorials available about how to use a search engine. You can probably find one using Google.

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[DamnOregonian]

How the hell do you type with both of your hands cupping Putin's balls?

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[spun]

There's no need to argue with you. The best thing to do with your type is just troll right back. Of course, you will try to sealion me here and claim you are being reasonable. So let me pre-empt your funny complaints: I'm here to taunt you, not have a discussion.

The entirety of the Western world going to fucking kick your god damn ass back into the stone age you fucking drunk ass Russian. Understand? Your country is done for. Cut off from the world, humiliated, impoverished, starving, without friends or any

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[Darinbob]

Where is your evidence that Ukraine did this though? You just state it as if it is the end of the matter. But it has no basis in logic and only a few people are claiming this, and those are only Putin supporters. To say that only Putin is right and the rest of the world is wrong is absurd to the extreme. Occam's Razor would imply the simplest answer: Putin is lying to you. Ukraine is not chock full of nazis, it is not shelling their own citizens in some deranged strategy, they just want to be left alone

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[Darinbob]

The counter argument is that the evidence is overwhelming that Russian army hit a snag when invading (at least agree that it's an invasion, not a "special military operation" to wipe out nazis), and rather than regroup, the hostilities have grown. There is documented evidence all over that attacks are happening. Why would every single european intelligence agency lie, every single Ukrainian civilian interviewed lie, and ONLY Putin and Russia tell the truth? There is a new law signed by Putin making it a

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[quonset]

And Putin or Russia has no logical reason to harm civilians at al;

Which is why Purin says Ukraine better stop resisting the invasion or they may cease to be a country.

Got it. No civilians being killed by Russian troops deliberately shelling cities and towns, it's all Ukrainians doing it.

Linving in that shithole, third world country of Russia really does make people stupid.

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[quonset]

In fact this is the only reasonable logic -- to destroy empty buildings for propaganda purposes. And Putin or Russia has no logical reason to harm civilians at all, if you think about it. If you disagree, be kind and use the classical rethorhical way of "Thesis -> Arguments".

Kherson, a Urkainian city now under Russian control, the residents have this to say about the occupation [cnn.com].

Before you come up with more lies remember, Russia has control of the city. They determine who can come and go. There are no Ukrainian troops in the city.

What lies will you come up to explain Russian troops shooting civilians and preventing people from leaving?

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[DamnOregonian]

And Putin or Russia has no logical reason to harm civilians at all

Oh I don't think he's aiming at them.
I think we're just witnessing the hilarious incompetence of the Russian military.

You fuckers have left more shit in Ukraine in the last week than you did in 1991.

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[phantomfive]

Jesus, if you think that Russian people are not able to use VPN,

We don't think you're bad at using VPN, we think you're bad at using search engines. Apparently even simple information is hard for you to find.

And it's not the Russian people. You are some kind of weird outlier, apparently, who can use a VPN but not a search engine. What is wrong with you?

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[DamnOregonian]

They can use a search engine just fine.
They're the equivalent of a Trumptard.

They look at pictures, and they know it's the Deep State. Or Fauci.

Or in this case, the US and their vassals that want to destroy Russia and steel it's... uhh, riches?

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[DamnOregonian]

Fuck. Steal.

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[quonset]

I have already stated that Ukrainian forces bomb the evacuated buildings to create a media material.

You're the one making the claim, show the evidence. Show how, beyond all possible comprehension, Ukraine is fighting off Russia's invasion while at the same time coming up with enough firepower to level their own cities. Show how, if Ukraine has that much firepower, they aren't just shelling the crap out of Russian forces.

You're making the claim, show your evidence.

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[RobinH]

We now have a report by a journalist (NYT photographer?) who was on the ground photographing a line of civilians fleeing the fighting in a very well-known corridor where civilians were moving, and the artillery/mortar shells were getting closer, bracketing in on their position until one hit directly and killed a family of 4. Russians are clearly targeting civilians.

The invasion itself was unjustified. The Russians don't have enough force to occupy Ukraine, and particularly to take a city in house-to-house

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[roman_mir]

The OP is clearly a shill for the Russian propaganda. I have 817 people working in Ukraine, they are being bombed everywhere.

The city of Kharkiv is ruined completely, it is unlivable at this point, apartment buildings destroyed, roads destroyed, churches destroyed, stores and office buildings destroyed. SMERCH, 500kg aerial bombs, rockets, everything and the kitchen sink has been launched at the city. Kherson, Nikolaev - bombed and shot at, Mariupol, Chernigov, Nova Kahovka, Vinnitsa, Irpen, Kiev of-cour

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[Darinbob]

The nukes part is scary. Estimates are about 220 tactical nukes for America and 1000-2000 for Russian federation. The use of tactical nukes is likely to cause an escalation to strategic nukes.

And Putin has adjusted the nuclear stance to allow them even in cases where the Russian Federation is not under direct attack: https://www.armscontrol.org/ac... [armscontrol.org]. That's just freaking scary. This is probably the primary reason why the west does not directly intervene, because there's a reasonable chance of Putin over

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[serviscope_minor]

Russian troll, go fuck yourself.

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[serviscope_minor]

You say partisan like it's a bad thing.

When it cones to fascist dictators wanting up roll over Europe and their army of little disinformation trolls, yes I am 100% partisan.

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[serviscope_minor]

Nothing against Russians as a people, there are some astonishingly brave ones, like those illegally protesting Putin's aggression, risking prison, disappearance, nerve gas or polonium tea. You aren't one of those.

And yes, I do have a very black and white view on fascist dictators. Some things are unequivocal. And unequivocally we don't want another one of those in Europe. It would be good to not have one in Russia too, and much better for the vast majority of Russians. Not for you though.

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[thegarbz]

I'm impressed. Worthless shits shilling for a foreign government normally have much higher UIDs than that. You did good comrade, Putin will be proud.

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[thegarbz]

"Whenever you think that you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong."

One second... let me check. Video evidence of shelling, countless refugees fleeing saying they are being bombed, international agencies saying they are being bombed, legit questions being raised if these are actual war crimes,

vs,

Sin2x's comment.

Yep contradictions checked. Question does Putin's cock taste sweet or sour you sorry shitstain of an inhuman being?

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[Camel Pilot]

Get this guy a job at Fox News.

Maybe he can spin the Russian military presence in Ukraine are just tourists and when that fails bombing civilians is really legitimate political discourse.

Cluster Munitions in Kharkiv Neighborhood

[Camel Pilot]

Something you will not see on the Russian nightly news channel.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/... [hrw.org]

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[quantaman]

They are not bombed -- the only things being bombed are evacuated buldings by the Ukrainian forces to have something to show to Western media, and Ukrainian army positions by the Russians, which have nothing to do with civilians. It's not 1940s.

So your account is old enough that I suspect you are actually a Russian and you do believe what you're saying, so I'm actually kinda curious?

1) Do you think Nazis/Fascists are running Ukraine? If so, how do you explain them having a Jewish President?

2) I assume you believe the war is justified, what do you think that justification is?

3) Do you agree that Russia bombed buildings in Chechnya and Syria?

4) Do you believe Russia is doing well in the war?

5) How do you feel about Russian conscripts being sent into

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[aRTeeNLCH]

The one post most worth commenting by our Russian invader and no response. Figures. Great list of questions though.

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[quantaman]

I'm hoping they are just asleep or otherwise occupied. In general I find it's more productive to interact with people with the assumption that they're being sincere and at least somewhat rational. I'm genuinely curious about what things are like from their perspective and even if they don't change their minds at all I at least learn something as opposed to shouting at a wall.

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[aRTeeNLCH]

Good attitude, makes life broader.

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[Camel Pilot]

BTW fuck you

https://www.reddit.com/r/Ukrai... [reddit.com]

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[Potor]

I have read all of your comments, and they boil down to one thing: religion, i.e. unfalsifiability. Of course, I realize that you are a Russian troll, or a useful idiot - not sure which. But no matter the evidence, your position is simple incapable of being proven wrong. As a result, commenters should simply ignore your simplistic, religious, non-scientific position and do better things with their time.

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[gosso920]

Don't drink and code.

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[quantaman]

I was just curious if your beliefs have evolved at all since you posted this comment?

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[Anonymouse Cowtard]

Bwahahahaha. Your IQ isn't high enough to differentiate intelligence and ignorance.

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[PopeRatzo]

I am Russian with an IQ > 140. IQ point merely stated for the purpse of not dismissing my opinion and me being brainwashed.

https://science.slashdot.org/s... [slashdot.org]

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[aRTeeNLCH]

To state your IQ as a high number as proof that you aren't brainwashed, and that your opinion has value, is a contradiction. I know quite a few intelligent people (IQ 135-145 range) who choose to believe all kinds of nonsense. With Corona, we've seen plenty of that. Call it brainwashed, misguided, whatever. If you believe that a high IQ score means that your immune to that, you are certainly misguided on that. So even if you scored 140 on some IQ test, your logical conclusion doesn't follow and you aren't a

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[DamnOregonian]

I am Russian with an IQ > 140

For someone with such a high IQ, I just can't imagine how it could escape you the intelligence, ignorance, and correctness are all orthogonal to each other.

Normally, I'd call you pathetic for trying to lie about being a genius, but fuck, in Russia, you may really have an IQ of 140. I mean with Putin's IQ of 8000, and your hypersonic submarines, and your 1933 census showing an increase in population, in spite of the death of 2-4 million fucking people.

You have an IQ of potato, you stupid fucking useful i

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[SciCom Luke]

Funny, the Americans are paying finally about half of what we pay, and you hear nothing but complaining.
It is year round Christmas at the US gas stations.

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[sinij]

I will be glad to oblige with an answer.

Are you Russian living in Russia or somewhere else? What news sources do you get your news from?

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[sinij]

Do you believe Putin's official story that Ukraine is overrun by Nazis?

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[countach]

Ukraine IS overrun by Nazis. They're called "The Russian army".

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[sinij]

What do you think about international sanctions on Russia? Are you concerned about 90s era hyperinflation?

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[sinij]

Who do you think going to pay for rebuilding of destroyed Ukrainian cities?

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[sinij]

Why do you think none of the Ukrainian refugees are fleeing to Russia? Why do you think nobody cheering on Russian "liberators"?

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[Rayfield k.]

Do you find it strange that Azov exists while Ukraine has a Jewish president? This is something that confuses a lot of people.

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[sinij]

Azov was created because Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014. Azov is allowed to continue existing because it is privately funded - Ukrainians feel that they are not in position to take high moral ground when faced against Putin.

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[danskal]

I think it's pretty clear that he is either from a russian intelligence troll farm, or just an agent. For all we know it could be Putin himself.

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