Oracle's Ellison Calls for Governments To Unify Data To Feed AI (msn.com) 105
Oracle co-founder and chairman Larry Ellison said governments should consolidate all national data for consumption by AI models, calling this step the "missing link" for them to take full advantage of the technology. From a report: Fragmented sets of data about a population's health, agriculture, infrastructure, procurement and borders should be unified into a single, secure database that can be accessed by AI models, Ellison said in an on-stage interview with former British Prime Minister Tony Blair at the World Government Summit in Dubai.
Countries with rich population data sets, such as the UK and United Arab Emirates, could cut costs and improve public services, particularly health care, with this approach, Ellison said. Upgrading government digital infrastructure could also help identify wastage and fraud, Ellison said. IT systems used by the US government are so primitive that it makes it difficult to identify "vast amounts of fraud," he added, pointing to efforts by Elon Musk's team at the Department of Government Efficiency to weed it out.
Countries with rich population data sets, such as the UK and United Arab Emirates, could cut costs and improve public services, particularly health care, with this approach, Ellison said. Upgrading government digital infrastructure could also help identify wastage and fraud, Ellison said. IT systems used by the US government are so primitive that it makes it difficult to identify "vast amounts of fraud," he added, pointing to efforts by Elon Musk's team at the Department of Government Efficiency to weed it out.
Re: And of course... (Score:5, Interesting)
Just ask the Birmingham council how well does Oracle work for them.
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Are you saying that Oracle can't build a database and front end for a medium sized UK city?
universal sponge (Score:2)
Expect a convergence of AI models and commoditization of AI services once they get "good enough". Lots of big tech companies investing in AI models will be at the tail end of getting paying customers much like the cloud where there's 3 big ones and a lot of small ones which will likely fail or remain small.
Better title: (Score:5, Informative)
"Privacy Rapist Wants All the Data"
There FTFY.
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The giant EllisonGPT will be renamed "Skynet" soon, just you watch...
Litigation is the name of his game. (Score:5, Insightful)
"Privacy Rapist Wants All the Data"
There FTFY.
You're thinking of 20th Century Larry.
21st Century Larry just wants all your data to carve up into license violations. In order to maximize profits and threaten users with his actual business; Lawsuits and Litigation.
He could give a flying fuck about privacy. The hell would he end up paying for the worst of privacy violations anyway? A penny per user? Arrogant ass would claim he was Too Big To Fail if you ever threatened him or his business with actual fines.
ORACLE is big law firm with a software side hustle (Score:2)
In order to maximize profits and threaten users with his actual business; Lawsuits and Litigation.
Right - I had forgotten for a minute who ORACLE was: Silicon Valley's biggest law firm with a software side business.
Not Oracleâ¦then but idea is right. (Score:1)
Re: Not Oracleâ¦then but idea is right. (Score:1)
Re: Not Oracleâ¦then but idea is right. (Score:1)
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Just as relevant, they want everybody else to do their work for them. Collecting data takes effort! Why should they work for their profits?
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Not only that, he wants the victims to pay for it.
AI vs. immigrant (Score:5, Interesting)
When an immigrant takes your job, at least a human family is getting fed. You'll be a bit poorer having to accept a lower wage. But when AI takes your job, unless we fix the economic architecture, the only humans who benefit are the fat ones in the oligopoly. You don't want them getting diabetes.
Re:AI vs. immigrant (Score:5, Insightful)
Give us your data for free and we will give you back fewer jobs and more control over society by the billionares. Win/win.
Re:AI vs. immigrant (Score:5, Informative)
and even the former is something that those same oligarchs are lying to you about.
immigration has an upward effect on both wages and employment for natives.
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Why was this downvoted? It's a documented fact that (all else being equal) immigration is good economically for everyone.
From Benefits of Immigration Outweigh the Costs [bushcenter.org]:
Immigration fuels the economy. When immigrants enter the labor force, they increase the productive capacity of the economy and raise GDP. Their incomes rise, but so do those of natives. It’s a phenomenon dubbed the “immigration surplus,” and while a small share of additional GDP accrues to natives — typically 0.2 to 0.4 percent — it still amounts to $36 to $72 billion per year.
And this is not just some crazy left-wing liberal position: the essay I quoted came from the George W. Bush Institute!
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Why was this downvoted?
I don't see where it was. At the time of my typing, it was listed as +1 Informative, which, from an AC, that's going to make it a score of 1.
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Legal immigration has an upward effect on both wages and employment for natives.
FTFY
Illegal immigration just allows work to be done more cheaply. There is no benefit to the citizen, only to the Owner.
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You know that's YOUR party's platform, right?
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I need to call my governor, I didn't know the DMV made my party affiliation public knowledge or that I even had one since neither party caters to me.
My consistent political positions, which are humanistic, are clear:
A properly taxed free market works better than communism even if you call it by its marketing name -- socialism.
Government's role is sensible regulation, security, and justice --- not competing with business/enterprise.
SpaceX and Tesla are great and doing good things, but Elon Musk became hatefu
Re:AI vs. immigrant (Score:5, Insightful)
When an immigrant takes your job, at least a human family is getting fed.
On the other hand, that immigrant Elon is getting rid of jobs -- and probably trolling all the government data for his benefit ...
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Here's why https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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They're not going to be making much money, if there aren't enough people with money to buy things. That drives prices down. In the long term, as automation accelerates, it stops making sense to charge money for things. That's the onset of Post-Scarcity. We'll have a couple of difficult years, but on the other side, we have to figure out a whole new economic system.
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They're not going to be making much money, if there aren't enough people with money to buy things. That drives prices down. In the long term, as automation accelerates, it stops making sense to charge money for things. That's the onset of Post-Scarcity. We'll have a couple of difficult years, but on the other side, we have to figure out a whole new economic system.
The billionaires today, the ones making all the actual decisions, don't have to figure out a whole new economic system. Once they have all the money, all the value, they can shrug as they build the walls around their homes to escape the screams of the angry mobs. What do they care if most have nothing?
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They can wall up all they want, but everyone's got to eat. And unless the rich make their own food, someone's got to prepare it for them.
If they can't perfect their robotics in time, I'm sure there will be plenty of poors available that will be happy to take table scraps for being servants. Traditionally, there always are.
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If they need buyers, why can't they have their robots order stuff?
There's levels to this grift. (Score:5, Insightful)
For one, if these "AI" systems were as good as all the tech bros are telling us they are, the data shouldn't need to be consolidated. They should just be able to take the data as-is from wherever they can get it and aggregate it however it's needed. For two? NO, asshole. You do *NOT* need all access to all government data just because you're greedy fucking mind can't comprehend that all data in the world doesn't already belong to you. For three? The entire AI thing has been about data aggregation from the start. And this is just one of the pushers coming right out and saying, "All your data are belong to us. Feed me."
Let me, to put a fine point on it, end on this note. Dear Ellison, "Fuck off, cunt."
We Can't Steal Your Data Fast Enough : ( (Score:2)
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Ah.... Let me teach you about encryption, the quantum-proof kind. Come here and sit down. This'll take a minute, but future generations of specifically you (and I) will thank us.
Now we must teach the government, whose data is regularly cracked like an egg, and sucked with a fat straw into the TorToobies.
Takes only a few minutes. Lasts for a long time.
Re:We Can't Steal Your Data Fast Enough : ( (Score:5, Insightful)
If you live in the United States, be assured that Elon Musk's army of techbros is busily slurping up what little data hadn't been cracked already. It's done. There's nothing left to protect from the worst actors, because the worst actors are sitting at the captain's helm steering the ship right into the shoreline.
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If you live in the United States, be assured that Elon Musk's army of techbros is busily slurping up what little data hadn't been cracked already. It's done. There's nothing left to protect from the worst actors, because the worst actors are sitting at the captain's helm steering the ship right into the shoreline.
Even if you don't live in the US, you should still be concerned.
They'll have data on anyone who's ever visited the US, probably a lot on a lot of people who live in 5 Eyes countries. Any intel gathered... All of it will probably be in copies of the database stored in Moscow and Beijing by the end of the month if not sooner given Elno's cyber security knowledge.
This is why a lot of governments make it hard for other departments to get access to another department's info. If the DVLA gets compromised, t
Musk's team of a handful of teenagers (Score:5, Interesting)
"...pointing to efforts by Elon Musk's team at the Department of Government Efficiency to weed it out."
Ellison thinks we're all stupid. First, "Musk's team" is not there to weed anything out, it's there to loot our national treasures. Second, the lie used to justify this looting is not to weed out anything but to "improve efficiency". Third, just how much of this magic can be performed by a few pimple-faced kids when his entire company, and many more like it, has been unable to achieve this ever?
Ellison should just say that our taxpayer money should be made available to enrich him personally and to do the hard work that he can't do.
Also, isn't this "communism"? Whatever happened to private industry being the answer to challenges such as this? No universal health care, no stability in retirement, but free resources for Oracle, right?
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"...pointing to efforts by Elon Musk's team at the Department of Government Efficiency to weed it out."
Ellison thinks we're all stupid. First, "Musk's team" is not there to weed anything out, it's there to loot our national treasures. Second, the lie used to justify this looting is not to weed out anything but to "improve efficiency". Third, just how much of this magic can be performed by a few pimple-faced kids when his entire company, and many more like it, has been unable to achieve this ever?
Ellison should just say that our taxpayer money should be made available to enrich him personally and to do the hard work that he can't do.
Also, isn't this "communism"? Whatever happened to private industry being the answer to challenges such as this? No universal health care, no stability in retirement, but free resources for Oracle, right?
This isn't communism. It's socialism for the elite, fuck you for the rest. It's capitalism's end-goal, if an end-goal can exist for an 'ism.' Make government money and resources completely available and beholden to the capitalist owners without oversight. We're seeing it happen in the United States, and Ellison's out there advocating that other countries do the same so that he can get a piece of that fat government pie before Musk sucks it all up for himself.
Years ago I wrote a short story synopsis for an i
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Years ago I wrote a short story synopsis for an idea of the world eventually crumbling into a huge war fought not between countries, but between uber-elite ultra-wealthy folks.
Neal Stephenson, is that you?
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Years ago I wrote a short story synopsis for an idea of the world eventually crumbling into a huge war fought not between countries, but between uber-elite ultra-wealthy folks.
Neal Stephenson, is that you?
I must be the only nerd left that hasn't read Stephenson's stuff. It's been on my queue for a long time, but something else always jumps in front of it.
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I always felt trepidation about reading cyberpunk. Because while I see them as novels warning of dystopia, they have legions of fans who think the worlds are really cool and hope they becomes a reality.
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I always felt trepidation about reading cyberpunk. Because while I see them as novels warning of dystopia, they have legions of fans who think the worlds are really cool and hope they becomes a reality.
And some of those fans have enough money to try to make it happen. Sigh.
Re:Musk's team of a handful of teenagers (Score:4, Informative)
We already have a term for this. The feudal system. It's neither left not right, neither capitalist nor socialist.
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Well the feudal system is far right, if you analyze it in contemporary terms:
- common people have no rights
- people with money / skills can use them to get around most limits that common people have, as long as they don't upset the ruler (corruption is a way of life)
- the ruler has absolute rights and basically grabs all the production of the society to himself, distributing enough to the ruling class to keep them as allies (and using force for those allies who may become a menace),
- the ruler is the law/th
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"Far right" definitions vary with every country. Far right of center depends upon what the center is, as well as what the issue is, etc.
Fascism is also new, an invention from early in the 20th century. A key hallmark is ultra nationalism, and the feudal system predated nation states. Though I presume you use that term by assuming that the local lord up to his master (king/prince/whoever) were a nation, then there are some similarities. But the will of the individual can't be subsumed by the state when the
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You're picking a simplified version of feudalism which was seldom that simple and varied through the middle ages.
If you look at the original meanings of right wing vs left wing, right wing was pro aristocracy (today pro billionaire and certain families) and left wing was pro common people so by definition, feudalism was extremely right wing
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We already have a term for this. The feudal system. It's neither left not right, neither capitalist nor socialist.
The feudal system is definitely capitalist, more so than our current systems as it legalises and enforces the centralisation of wealth and power in the hands of the few and establishes strictures to keep it that way. There were no self-made lords back in the bad old days... you had to be born into it.
Which is the extreme irony the clapping seals don't get when they blindly follow oligarchs... they think that in the new feudal system they'll be lords instead of peasants.
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Capitalism is a more modern invention. It requires an economic system based upon capital and the _private_ ownership of the means of production. Having the means of production being owned by aristocrats, who are effectively the government, is not capitalism. Nor is it socialism as the means of production are not controlled by the workers. It is neither. Which will freak out the people who can only think in binary.
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There was a degree of socialism with the commons (land) shared by the free men (farmers). The commons were enclosed around the time of the beginning of industrial revolution when the rich, a mixture of aristocrats and merchants, discovered with their control of Parliament, they could simply legislate that they owned the commons, fence it off and kick the free farmers off the land. At the time most production was farm products, especially wool.
This is Great Briton, other countries varied.
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I have debated whether or not to talk about this on the show, but I feel like this is an important thing to know about the Republican's [J.D. Vance] and what he has to offer. And why he was brought onto the ticket despite his palpable lack of political skill or likeability, his lack of any track record in politics whatsoever. And after he spent less than two years in the only public office he's ever held — which is a Senate seat that he only barely won thanks to one of those eccentric tech billionaires giving the single largest Senate campaign donation in the history of this country. He comes wholly from this very very obscure, eccentric, right-wing subculture of tech billionaires.
And his relationship with this eccentric, Silicon Valley, pro-dictatorship philosophy has been pretty widely discussed in print.
Rachel Maddow, MSNBC, October 1, 2024.
The USA is becoming a triumvirate of Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Curtis Yarvin.
“If Americans want to change their government, they’re going to have to get over their dictator phobia.”
Curtis Yarvin, 2012.
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I have debated whether or not to talk about this on the show, but I feel like this is an important thing to know about the Republican's [J.D. Vance] and what he has to offer. And why he was brought onto the ticket despite his palpable lack of political skill or likeability, his lack of any track record in politics whatsoever. And after he spent less than two years in the only public office he's ever held — which is a Senate seat that he only barely won thanks to one of those eccentric tech billionaires giving the single largest Senate campaign donation in the history of this country. He comes wholly from this very very obscure, eccentric, right-wing subculture of tech billionaires.
And his relationship with this eccentric, Silicon Valley, pro-dictatorship philosophy has been pretty widely discussed in print.
Rachel Maddow, MSNBC, October 1, 2024.
The USA is becoming a triumvirate of Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Curtis Yarvin.
“If Americans want to change their government, they’re going to have to get over their dictator phobia.” Curtis Yarvin, 2012.
It's amazing to me how we've allowed wealth to amass in this country with individuals, even with all the continuous proof we've seen over the centuries that amassed wealth almost always results in people that will not be satisfied until they've amassed all the power as well as all the money. Silicon Valley, the driver of our bright future, has done a remarkable job of setting us up for dystopia. In so many ways. From the non-state-surveillance to the billionaires club trying desperately to become the feudal
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"...pointing to efforts by Elon Musk's team at the Department of Government Efficiency to weed it out."
Ellison thinks we're all stupid. First, "Musk's team" is not there to weed anything out, it's there to loot our national treasures. Second, the lie used to justify this looting is not to weed out anything but to "improve efficiency". Third, just how much of this magic can be performed by a few pimple-faced kids when his entire company, and many more like it, has been unable to achieve this ever?
Ellison should just say that our taxpayer money should be made available to enrich him personally and to do the hard work that he can't do.
Also, isn't this "communism"? Whatever happened to private industry being the answer to challenges such as this? No universal health care, no stability in retirement, but free resources for Oracle, right?
You re-elected Trump... he's not wrong.
He's just upset (Score:5, Insightful)
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He's upset because Elon has his hands on all that delicious government data already
Well, more Hyenas were bound to be drawn to the stink of the carcass.
Re:He's just upset (Score:5, Insightful)
Treasury employees have gone through their trainings, the upper management has taken oaths of office, they're all sworn to uphold the law. Musk on the other hand is not a government employee, he's not been appointed or approved. Musk and his teenage harem have not gone through any employee training, have not even read the constittution, and rudely push their way past security officials as if they own the place. Let me repeat: private citizens push themselves past government security officials charged with preventing people from doing what Musk's team is doing. And violating the law along the way.
Musk is not finding corruption. He just thinks he is. That money going to Gaza wasn't going to Gaza. He's deluded and if you believe his tweets then you're deluded too.
This used to be a country based upon the rule of law, not the rule of the richest man in the world. There are laws enacted by the will of the people through their duly elected representatives, and Elon/Trump and stepping over their laws while proclaiming that they're doing the will of the people. Just because a president is elected does not mean all laws prior to 1/20/2025 are null and void! Just because the president thinks he has a mandate does not mean the constitution allows him to exercise that mandate.
And there it is (Score:2)
I knew that Stargate announcement was a scam. Oh it's going to be used for cancer cures they said! Just an excuse to get their hands on everyone's private date.
You guys spent years screaming about scary George Soros and here we have Elmo who gets cheered.
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The guy who spent a lot of money and orders Trump around.
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They love those mega projects.
"Help us help you" (Score:2)
Sure centralize the data so hackers can easily steal all if it instead of having to go around and steal it department by department.
Who's "them"? (Score:2)
Oracle co-founder and chairman Larry Ellison said governments should consolidate all national data for consumption by AI models, calling this step the "missing link" for them to take full advantage of the technology.
Pretty sure Larry is talking about Oracle and the other corporate overlords and not the governments and people they serve. Personally, I think making it easier for AI to access and consume all our data is a bad idea. To paraphrase Malory Archer, "Do you want Skynet? Because that's how you get Skynet." Or, at least, the total collapse of (or any semblance of) data security, control and privacy.
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FUCK OFF ELLISON (Score:1)
Any time Larry Ellison (or Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos) urges governments to do something, you can bet it's all about benefitting them, not anyone else.
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Any time Larry Ellison (or Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos) urges governments to do something, you can bet it's all about benefitting them, not anyone else.
Or Zuckerberg.
Westworld plot (Score:3)
This is literally the plot for the later season of Westworld. https://westworld.fandom.com/w... [fandom.com]
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This is literally the plot for the later season of Westworld. https://westworld.fandom.com/w... [fandom.com]
Where do you think these cunts got the idea of creating computer god? Fiction. Ain't a one of them smart enough to dream it up themselves. Funny how it all accelerated right after that season aired. While most of us were thinking it was a fun, if reiterative, warning of what could be, these fuckers were drooling at the prospect and lining up GPU purchases to try to make it happen.
Elon Already Is (Score:2)
Elon is already doing it. Why do you think he wanted access to all that sweet government data on everybody? To train his AI which is woefully behind the rest. He's most certainly feeding that all in to his pockets.
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Re:Elon Already Is (Score:4, Insightful)
Totally. He'll have access to data about payments and other info on all of his competition. Out bid them, blackmail them, whatever he likes.
And normally everyone in the White House (other than the VP and president) is required to be held to an ethics requirement. He's gotten a waiver, which means he's allowed to profit from the information he gains through his access. He's being given a free pass on everything.
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The requirement is moot. No one in the current White House is ethical, honest or moral. Everyone who supports them is just as dirty and personally corrupt as they are. The swine are all in the same hog wallow.
By the way, don't forget to "grab em by the pussy".
Department of Grifting Eggheads (Score:3)
Gotta hand it to uncle Larry. I couldn't think of a more pointless and dangerous waste of time and money than this.
Welfare queens (Score:2)
"The government should clean my data sets for me and make them easily consumable by my for-profit institution."
Also shitbag greedheads:
The government shouldn't be assisting anyone with economic security.
Also shitbag greedheads:
We're cutting out all the grift. https://abcnews.go.com/drug-ad... [go.com]
Wants it for mass surveillance. (Score:2)
"Ellison said AI would be used in the future to constantly watch and analyze vast surveillance systems, like security cameras, police body cameras, doorbell cameras, and vehicle dashboard cameras.
"We're going to have supervision," Ellison said. "Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there's a problem, AI will report that problem and report it to the appropriate person. Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that's go
Re: Wants it for mass surveillance. (Score:1)
Remember (Score:5, Insightful)
Recall that Ellison is the dumbass that said the quiet part out loud:
Billionaire Larry Ellison says a vast AI-fueled surveillance system can ensure 'citizens will be on their best behavior' [businessinsider.com]
Apparently he'd like to achieve this at low cost by making government groom the data for him.
Yes, give them all our data for free.. (Score:2)
Do something that benefits me personally (Score:2)
And don't make me pay for it.
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Dump it all into the Metaverse. At least that way we know it'll be safe from everyone since no one would ever look there.
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Or give it to google. They'll safely delete it in a week when they get bored with it.
Give us your data for free (Score:2)
Give us your data for free, so we can charge you to access it in what we call new and interesting ways.
Proving again that ORACLE is an acronym (Score:1)
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Speaking of Elon (Score:3, Insightful)
In the name of rooting out corruption and inefficiency but in reality acting against political and ideological competitors and opponents, Elon and Trump are actually doing the opposite of what Ellison is asking for. Data is being taken offline and made inaccessible. This is what totalitarian governments do. Xi Jinping had his campaign against "corruption," and Elon and Trump are doing the same.
Of course, what Larry is really asking for is government to facilitate the gathering of data to train AI models. He wants the government to pay for and subsidize this data gathering. Furthermore, he wants the government to provide legal cover to squash the intellectual property and privacy challenges that are sure to arise.
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In the name of rooting out corruption and inefficiency but in reality acting against political and ideological competitors and opponents, Elon and Trump are actually doing the opposite of what Ellison is asking for. Data is being taken offline and made inaccessible. This is what totalitarian governments do. Xi Jinping had his campaign against "corruption," and Elon and Trump are doing the same.
Of course, what Larry is really asking for is government to facilitate the gathering of data to train AI models. He wants the government to pay for and subsidize this data gathering. Furthermore, he wants the government to provide legal cover to squash the intellectual property and privacy challenges that are sure to arise.
Musk is only blocking access to the data for the people that need it to do their jobs. Rest assured, it's all being "safely backed up" to his data aggregation routines, to train his AI assets. No way he's letting all that juicy data just poof out of existence. There's money to be made there. Data is profit.
Great idea if... (Score:2)
...the data is freely available to all and Oracle isn't allowed anywhere near it
Do you want Skynet? (Score:2)
No Way Whoracle! (Score:2)
Corporate Welfare (Score:2)
duh, the solution is right there in front of you (Score:2)
Why not train an AI to figure out how consolidate the data?!? Isn't that the entire point of it?
Let's start with Ellison's data? (Score:2)
Should we ask if we can use data on him, his family and friends as a test data set?
typical (Score:1)
Calls for government to unify (Score:2)
I personally think it's more likely that we'll see calls for Oracle's Larry Ellison to cram it up his ass. If you want ALL THE DATA for training AI bullshit, PAY FOR IT.
Tired of billionaires with their hands out. Get fucked.
Sure, let's trim the fat. (Score:2)
Corporate data access to government stored personal information has an access fee of $1 per bit (not byte), which can only be paid to the IRS as a payment on behalf of the individual's income tax, overage goes back to the individual.
Third parties are no longer allowed to distribute personal data unless the individual opts in by written consent to that party. Data is also not allowed to leave the country.
Good luck with that (Score:2)
fraud (Score:2)
Ellison said. IT systems used by the US government are so primitive that it makes it difficult to identify "vast amounts of fraud,"
Indeed, if improved we could find out what big corporations dodge taxes.
AI should unify the data (Score:2)
Shouldn't AI be the key to unifying the data for us.
He wasn't totally lying (Score:2)
I'm sure that "governments should consolidate all national data for consumption by AI models, calling this step the "missing link" for them to take full advantage of ... " is all correct.
"Technology" is not the correct next word, however. He wants to take full advantage of something, but technology is not it.